2025 Lincoln Navigator

[fuzzymoomoo]

1 hour ago, silvrsvt said:

 

IMO they fucking suck-I saw one for the first time in a Santa Fe and the slight perceptible lag in it due to it being screen is fucking annoying. 

 

Find this whole dichotomy of tech in vehicles to be fascinating- I use my Santa Fe example again-it had all the "latest" tech stuff on it, but IMO it was almost distracting to operating the vehicle-yeah its nice to see what might be on the side of my vehicle making a turn, but its also distracting with all these screens changing just outside of my view that would draw my eye to them instead of the road in front of me.

 

Then you have people who don't want thing or basically a retread of something from the 1970s that they think they can fix with a screw driver and bailing wire.

Im at the point where the less technological gizmos, the better. Give me Sync 3/4, a decent variety of information in the instrument cluster and power windows/seats and I’m good with that. Unfortunately for me nobody will build what I want without waiting ungodly amounts of time for them to get around to scheduling it, if it even gets built in the first place. 

Edited August 16 by fuzzymoomoo

[Andrew L]

1 hour ago, rmc523 said:

 

 

Looks like the seat controls have moved either to the seat side or embedded within the infotainment system.

 

Also, I noticed looks like Lincoln is finally getting some unique window switches.

 

Ah that's a shame I like them being on the door panel

[DeluxeStang]

13 hours ago, Ares said:

This must be the Reserve without the Jet Package since it doesn’t have black accents. I like it too.

 

Overall, I’m impressed!

Those wheels compliment this thing so well. A nice update, I was skeptical, but all of these small improvements here and there have done a lot to make this a much more appealing product. 

[Willwll313wll]

16 hours ago, ausrutherford said:

My only bone to pick at is that the large "screen" is actually two screens. There is a break in the middle that would drive me nuts. 

 

Agreed! It was my biggest gripe after checking out the new Nautilus at our dealer. Really cheapens the look tbh. Poor execution. Big sign of cost cutting, shouldn’t be so glaring in luxury vehicles.
 

And after riding around in the new Cadillac IQ, and experiencing that interface, unfortunately this new Lincoln screen just doesn’t hold a candle to what’s in the IQ and new Escalade. 
 

This set up appears to be shared with Ford too. I don’t know how to feel about that. 
 

It was impressive in the Nautilus (outside of the distracting break in the middle), it looks slightly less impresssive, and “small” in the Navigator but it works!

 

Still, overall this is a very nice refresh!

Edited August 16 by Willwll313wll

[Willwll313wll]

3 hours ago, rmc523 said:

 

 

Looks like the seat controls have moved either to the seat side or embedded within the infotainment system.

 

Also, I noticed looks like Lincoln is finally getting some unique window switches.

This looks really nice. The Escalade has better tech but I still prefer this design

[akirby]

2 hours ago, Andrew L said:

 

Ah that's a shame I like them being on the door panel

Our Nautilus is on the seat and it’s no problem.  Then again I hardly ever change them.  The massage controls are also there with a large dpad.

[Andrew L]

25 minutes ago, akirby said:

Our Nautilus is on the seat and it’s no problem.  Then again I hardly ever change them.  The massage controls are also there with a large dpad.

 

Not saying it's a problem just a personal preference thing. I prefer them on the door panel.

 

Also it's weird how Lincoln can't just stick to one location across the board for their seat controls. Corsair, Aviator, and current Navigator have it on the door. Nautilus and now the new Navigator are moving them to the seat side.

 

It's never been consistent though for example in 2004 the Town Car and Aviator had it on the door while Navigator and LS had it on the side of the seat. I just wish they'd pick one and do it universally.

[joseodiaga4]

1 hour ago, Willwll313wll said:

 

Agreed! It was my biggest gripe after checking out the new Aviator at our dealer. Really cheapens the look tbh. Poor execution. Big sign of cost cutting, shouldn’t be so glaring in luxury vehicles.
 

And after riding around in the new Cadillac IQ, and experiencing that interface, unfortunately this new Lincoln screen just doesn’t hold a candle to what’s in the IQ and new Escalade. 

 

I think you are referring to the Nautilus?

I was in the US a month ago a went to a Ford/Lincoln dealer. I checked it but I didn't find it to be that bad in execution but I guess it is a bit subjective.

 

Can you tell us a bit more about your Escalade IQ experience? Also I didn't think there is such a difference in the usability of the screen, just in size although it is true that there is not much videos about it.

Can you tell us about your experience?

 

1 hour ago, Willwll313wll said:

This set up appears to be shared with Ford too. I don’t know how to feel about that. 

yeah, I guess the expedition and other Fords will get the same screen and I think it is one of the dumbest ideas. We can finally see some difference between Ford and Lincolns and the plan for the interior is to do the same design.

 

1 hour ago, Willwll313wll said:

 

It was impressive in the Aviator (outside of the distracting break in the middle), it looks less impresssive, and small in the Navigator.

this is what I have been saying, I know 48in is a rather big screen for a car but this seems small and less impressive in the Navi vs the Nautilus. What is the explanation around using the same screen considering there is a big width difference? 

 

Edited August 16 by joseodiaga4

[rmc523]

2 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:

Those wheels compliment this thing so well. A nice update, I was skeptical, but all of these small improvements here and there have done a lot to make this a much more appealing product. 

 

That door character line, though.....how dare they.  It's basically identical to the outgoing model!!!! 

[rmc523]

17 minutes ago, joseodiaga4 said:

 

I think you are referring to the Nautilus?

I was in the US a month ago a went to a Ford/Lincoln dealer. I checked it but I didn't find it to be that bad in execution but I guess it is a bit subjective.

 

Can you tell us a bit more about your Escalade IQ experience? Also I didn't think there is such a difference in the usability of the screen, just in size although it is true that there is not much videos about it.

Can you tell us about your experience?

 

yeah, I guess the expedition and other Fords will get the same screen and I think it is one of the dumbest ideas. We can finally see some difference between Ford and Lincolns and the plan for the interior is to do the same design.

 

this is what I have been saying, I know 48in is a rather big screen for a car but this seems small and less impressive in the Navi vs the Nautilus. What is the explanation around using the same screen considering there is a big width difference? 

 

 

I keep seeing this comment, but can someone explain to me how this.....

 

 

And this.....

 

 

Are the "Same design" just because they'll both have a full width screen at the front of the dash?

[T-dubz]

It’s ok. I don’t think it will increase sales any. I don’t really pay attention to navigator or anything expedition that much but is this an L version with the larger rear? It seems like it’s about a foot too long. 
 

the lower front grille also doesn’t seem to flow well with the rest of the front design.

 

i agree with what everyone else says about the screen. It’s funny to say this but 48” is too small, especially when it’s pushed back as far as it is. The Escalades looks much larger. And the split in the screen is way too noticeable. I couldn’t believe the “commercial” they had highlighted the split multiple times. You’d think they’d try and hide it. The nautilus does a much better job at hiding the different screens. I do like the rest of the interior though. I like the split tailgate too.

[Willwll313wll]

30 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

 

I keep seeing this comment, but can someone explain to me how this.....

 

 

And this.....

 

 

Are the "Same design" just because they'll both have a full width screen at the front of the dash?

Wording used aside, I think the overall point is that we won’t see a Chevy Tahoe or GMC with the Cadillac screens and for good reason.

[Willwll313wll]

1 hour ago, joseodiaga4 said:

 

I think you are referring to the Nautilus?

I was in the US a month ago a went to a Ford/Lincoln dealer. I checked it but I didn't find it to be that bad in execution but I guess it is a bit subjective.

 

Can you tell us a bit more about your Escalade IQ experience? Also I didn't think there is such a difference in the usability of the screen, just in size although it is true that there is not much videos about it.

Can you tell us about your experience?

 

yeah, I guess the expedition and other Fords will get the same screen and I think it is one of the dumbest ideas. We can finally see some difference between Ford and Lincolns and the plan for the interior is to do the same design.

 

this is what I have been saying, I know 48in is a rather big screen for a car but this seems small and less impressive in the Navi vs the Nautilus. What is the explanation around using the same screen considering there is a big width difference? 

 

Thank you for the correction!

 

Explanation for using the same screen just boils down to cost. Lincolns lineup is less expansive than Cadillac. Cadillac has the screen in the IQ, Escalade, Celestiq, Sollei (if it goes into production). With the Lincoln/Ford screen, looks like for now we’ll get it in the Expedition, Nautilus, and Navi. 

 

IQ experience:

F-word it’s huge! Too big imo. Has presence on the road but the space in the interior doesn’t justify the size. Inefficient packaging imo. UI isn’t the most straightforward but lots of features (seems like the Navi will get some of the entertainment features that aren’t enabled in the Nautilus yet). 55inch screen looks and feels very expensive. Power open and close doors are nice but finicky. Massage seats are great! Materials are fantastic though the overall interior design may be a bit busy in some areas. Love the metallic-like wood. Seeing the hood go nose up even with light acceleration is… interesting… Not as quiet and smooth on the road as i expected but good. Good power for such a heavy vehicle, seems like it has less body roll than my Ioniq tbh. 

[joseodiaga4]

1 hour ago, rmc523 said:

 

I keep seeing this comment, but can someone explain to me how this.....

 

 

And this.....

 

 

Are the "Same design" just because they'll both have a full width screen at the front of the dash?

 

it is the same overall design just changing the position of the center screen and the gear buttons. But yeah both have the same full width screen at the front of the dash. 

Does the Tahoe and the Escalade share the interior design and screens? No they don't.....and both vehicles are the leaders in each category.

Aside from this, does the XT5 or Lyriq share the same design screen as the Escalade? No they don't.

 

55 minutes ago, Willwll313wll said:

Wording used aside, I think the overall point is that we won’t see a Chevy Tahoe or GMC with the Cadillac screens and for good reason.

thank you will, this is exactly my point.

[T-dubz]

All cars are going to have full width screens here in the near future. Even Hyundais now have screens taking up 2/3 of the dash. 

[tbone]

18 hours ago, akirby said:

I rest my case,  

 

New front, new rear and a completely new interior with the Panasonic display but that’s not enough.  Sheez.  

I stand by my previous statements regarding this model and the Expedition.  I consider both models to be what I would describe as midcycle refreshes that should’ve happened at least two years ago. I certainly would not call it a new model, considering how many features have been left out versus the competition, which have been described here already, and using the same body.   
 

With that said, I think it looks nice, although I’m a little iffy on that large side to side venting on the lower front valance below the grill. I don’t think that is integrated particularly well, and kid of looks likes big mouth.
 

I also don’t think the panoramic screen is integrated nearly as well as the Nautilus or the Escalade for that matter.  It looks tacked on to me.  It also doesn't have a hood like the other two, as far as can tell from the photos.  Will there be glare issues as a result?

 

Really, no hybrid or power changes?   That was a no brainer, but don’t happen.  Could it still happen, perhaps, but why announce a new model and then leave out some of your changes.  
 

Unless they intend to compete on price, I feel like they have phoned it in on this one. I would like to think this is a stopgap measure to an entirely new model in two years, but I’m not optimistic based on many of Ford management’s recent decision making. This product is not class leading, and I thought at one point Ford management said that all of their products needed to meet that expectation. You don’t have to hold the sales crown to be class leading. 
 

Look, I am a huge Ford fan and regularly will talk them up to anyone who will listen, but this is a really disappointing trend within Ford as of late.

[Sherminator98]

I sure do see a lot of people picking the fly shit out of pepper at the moment with some of the comments made here. 

[Willwll313wll]

27 minutes ago, silvrsvt said:

I sure do see a lot of people picking the fly shit out of pepper at the moment with some of the comments made here. 

lol is that an analogy for nitpicking? 

[Ares]

2 hours ago, T-dubz said:

the lower front grille also doesn’t seem to flow well with the rest of the front design.

 

I did an edit with a little more separation between the main grille and lower grille. It's not a notable difference but it does look a bit better I think.

Edited August 16 by Ares

[rmc523]

1 hour ago, joseodiaga4 said:

 

it is the same overall design just changing the position of the center screen and the gear buttons. But yeah both have the same full width screen at the front of the dash. 

Does the Tahoe and the Escalade share the interior design and screens? No they don't.....and both vehicles are the leaders in each category.

Aside from this, does the XT5 or Lyriq share the same design screen as the Escalade? No they don't.

 

thank you will, this is exactly my point.

 

Sure, they're the same.....if you completely ignore the fact that the entire dash is completely different on the Expedition (which has a more vertical design to it) and Navigator except for that full width screen (which if you look at the pillar ALSO has a completely different integration than Navigator).

 

You're acting as if they took the Lincoln badge off and slapped a Ford badge on and that's it.  I'd be right there with you if that's all we saw.  This is far from it.

 

44 minutes ago, tbone said:

I stand by my previous statements regarding this model and the Expedition.  I consider both models to be what I would describe as midcycle refreshes that should’ve happened at least two years ago. I certainly would not call it a new model, considering how many features have been left out versus the competition, which have been described here already, and using the same body.   
 

With that said, I think it looks nice, although I’m a little iffy on that large side to side venting on the lower front valance below the grill. I don’t think that is integrated particularly well, and kid of looks likes big mouth.
 

I also don’t think the panoramic screen is integrated nearly as well as the Nautilus or the Escalade for that matter.  It looks tacked on to me.  It also doesn't have a hood like the other two, as far as can tell from the photos.  Will there be glare issues as a result?

 

Really, no hybrid or power changes?   That was a no brainer, but don’t happen.  Could it still happen, perhaps, but why announce a new model and then leave out some of your changes.  
 

Unless they intend to compete on price, I feel like they have phoned it in on this one. I would like to think this is a stopgap measure to an entirely new model in two years, but I’m not optimistic based on many of Ford management’s recent decision making. This product is not class leading, and I thought at one point Ford management said that all of their products needed to meet that expectation. You don’t have to hold the sales crown to be class leading. 
 

Look, I am a huge Ford fan and regularly will talk them up to anyone who will listen, but this is a really disappointing trend within Ford as of late.

 

Apparently there is more coming that will be announced at a later date...

[Sherminator98]

15 minutes ago, Willwll313wll said:

lol is that an analogy for nitpicking? 

 

Yep! 

[akirby]

Legitimate criticism:  

no new powertrains although the current one is really great at 440/510.  There really is no point going bigger.   There is still time for a new hybrid powertrain announcement before ordering begins.  Ford has done this before.

 

no air suspension

 

Stupid criticisms:

 

The L is too long 

The 48” screen is too small

They're using the same screen in a Ford (gasp!)

The screen has a line in the middle! (double gasp!)

[akirby]

11 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

 

Apparently there is more coming that will be announced at a later date...

I said this yesterday.  Ford has done a slow rollout of new stuff on several models and there is a lot of time before the order banks open.

[joseodiaga4]

1 hour ago, tbone said:

I stand by my previous statements regarding this model and the Expedition.  I consider both models to be what I would describe as midcycle refreshes that should’ve happened at least two years ago. I certainly would not call it a new model, considering how many features have been left out versus the competition, which have been described here already, and using the same body.   
 

I also don’t think the panoramic screen is integrated nearly as well as the Nautilus or the Escalade for that matter.  It looks tacked on to me.  It also doesn't have a hood like the other two, as far as can tell from the photos.  Will there be glare issues as a result?

 

Really, no hybrid or power changes?   That was a no brainer, but don’t happen.  Could it still happen, perhaps, but why announce a new model and then leave out some of your changes.  

agree....it is a bit sad because this was supposed to be a redesign and although there are good changes in both the exterior and interior, it seems to be a midcycle refresh and as you said this should have happen a couple years ago. Also another problem is that Lincoln is trying to sell this as an all-new model and it doesn't feel that way considering all the features that have been left out.

 

I also think that the pano screen doesn't seem to be that well integrated vs the Nautilus.

 

Not presenting the hybrid now is a nonsense but I assume they will show it when they present the Expy because that's the way Ford does it.

 

1 hour ago, tbone said:

Unless they intend to compete on price, I feel like they have phoned it in on this one. I would like to think this is a stopgap measure to an entirely new model in two years, but I’m not optimistic based on many of Ford management’s recent decision making. This product is not class leading, and I thought at one point Ford management said that all of their products needed to meet that expectation. You don’t have to hold the sales crown to be class leading. 
 

Look, I am a huge Ford fan and regularly will talk them up to anyone who will listen, but this is a really disappointing trend within Ford as of late.

 

I am not sure if they plan to compete on price, they discontinued the premier model.

It is sad to see the recent decisions and it is now showing.....as you said this product is not class leading, and if you want to compete and improve sales you have to be class leading because this segment has a clear leader.

 

 

[joseodiaga4]

30 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

 

Sure, they're the same.....if you completely ignore the fact that the entire dash is completely different on the Expedition (which has a more vertical design to it) and Navigator except for that full width screen (which if you look at the pillar ALSO has a completely different integration than Navigator).

 

You're acting as if they took the Lincoln badge off and slapped a Ford badge on and that's it.  I'd be right there with you if that's all we saw.  This is far from it.

the problem is that they shouldn't been the same. I mean nobody else does it (Chevy-Cadillac, Toyota-Lexus, etc.).

It took so long to change that perception of just a tarted up Ford that IMO is not the time to have similar stuff, but anyway let's wait and see the Expedition