silvrsvt Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ford-recall-90-736-vehicles-095011090.html Quote As part of the remedy, dealers will perform an engine cycle test and replace the engine as necessary, free of charge, the regulator said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 Ugh….. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 I really want to know who made these valves for Ford and what Silchrome Lite is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1999 White C5 Coupe Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 2 hours ago, akirby said: Ugh….. Ford just can’t get a handle on the continuing massive number of safety recalls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danglin Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 Whew! Looks like I am good, for now anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 31 Author Share Posted August 31 1 hour ago, 1999 White C5 Coupe said: Ford just can’t get a handle on the continuing massive number of safety recalls. I'm guessing the manufacturing issues they had with the valves might have been a little bigger then what was in the Bronco. I'm also guessing that not all 90K engines will have to be replaced, maybe 1-5% of that number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseodiaga4 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 Ford just can’t handle it, a lot of safety recalls and the trend doesn't seem to stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 Fortunately the valves in my Lightning are fine. (Good going, Reuters) https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ford-recall-90736-vehicles-over-engine-valve-issue-us-regulators-say-2024-08-31/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 1 hour ago, sullynd said: Fortunately the valves in my Lightning are fine. (Good going, Reuters) https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ford-recall-90736-vehicles-over-engine-valve-issue-us-regulators-say-2024-08-31/ I saw that. Perhaps use the right vehicle for your article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 6 hours ago, twintornados said: I really want to know who made these valves for Ford and what Silchrome Lite is. Ford should consider bringing more manufacturing of parts in house to get better control of their quality. This shit is just ridiculous. Can anyone explain what an engine cycle test will show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 (edited) The valves fail suddenly due to supplier doing improper or no heat treatment, an engine test will only show something after the valves have failed. Ford will cling to this like a dying man to avoid doing anything more than absolutely required, they care so little about their reputation that they throw owners under the bus to save a few dollars. Edited August 31 by jpd80 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 33 minutes ago, jpd80 said: The valves fail suddenly due to supplier doing improper or no heat treatment, an engine test will only show something after the valves have failed. Ford will cling to this like a dying man to avoid doing anything more than absolutely required, they care so little about their reputation that they throw owners under the bus to save a few dollars. They've handled their trucks, and some of their other products really well. But it seems like they've struggled with things like explorer and bronco in recent years. I have no idea what's going on right now, it's not just Ford, it's everyone. Toyota, Honda, Kia, GM, everyone is doing a ton of quality assurance and recalls right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 1 Author Share Posted September 1 37 minutes ago, DeluxeStang said: I have no idea what's going on right now, it's not just Ford, it's everyone. Toyota, Honda, Kia, GM, everyone is doing a ton of quality assurance and recalls right now. I think its partly the changing of the guard sort to speak when it comes to manufacturing with work force age...I see lots of things on the aviation side of things for the Navy and we've run into issues with parts from manufacturing companies that aren't in the US for the program I work on. We where getting fan blades (which are more or less metal that is grown like a crystal to withstand temps and stresses as its run) that where failing in one of aircraft we had. It is also not to say the Chinese are any better or even good at it-they still haven't produced a jet engine that is comparable to what is used in the F-22 or F-35 because of the way the fan blades are made and other things. They excel at being the worlds workshop-they can assemble parts to make say iPhones, but they can't actually engineer one that is good using their own tech. I think there hasn't been a good information transfer from the older gen to the younger gen, plus with younger people not going into certain industries due to them getting told to go to college for the past 30-40 years, has harmed high end blue collar jobs that you can get that can pay well. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, DeluxeStang said: They've handled their trucks, and some of their other products really well. But it seems like they've struggled with things like explorer and bronco in recent years. I have no idea what's going on right now, it's not just Ford, it's everyone. Toyota, Honda, Kia, GM, everyone is doing a ton of quality assurance and recalls right now. OEMs like Ford are not batch checking suppliers for quality, they are letting customers find out first what’s happening and then react…or not… It's that terrible. The only way for them to learn anything is to feel the sting of massive warrant costs, that’s the only thing that motivates companies like Ford to get in front of problems. Edited September 1 by jpd80 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 There have been a lot of recalls by Ford, which have been damaging their reputation and their stock value. When you spend that kind of money on warranty costs, it doesn’t reflect well on you as a company. I hope they don’t lead the recall list at the end of this year as they did last year. They need to stop worrying about saving $.10 on a part and more about using that $.10 to improve the quality of their parts. It sure as hell going to cost more than $.10 to fix whatever problem arises because of that failed part. Besides, they should’ve saved enough from there decontenting to make up for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 (edited) Older article but some info on the Intake Valve problem (sorry, thought it was exhaust) The Silchrome Lite material only becomes problematic if it’s overheated during valve manufacture. While the below points over temp machining operation, the change to the better material occurred almost three years ago now…. https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/nhtsa-to-boost-investigation-into-catastrophic-failure-in-ford-v-6-engines/ “Ford advised that the defective valves were manufactured out of a specific alloy known as ‘Silchrome Lite’, which can become excessively hard and brittle if an over-temperature condition occurs during machining of the component. “A design modification was implemented in October 2021, which changed the intake valve material to a different alloy known as ‘Silchrome 1’ that is less susceptible to over-temperature during machine grinding. Ford has identified that the defective intake valves commonly fail early in a vehicle’s life and has suggested that the majority of failures have already occurred.” Edited September 1 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 1 Author Share Posted September 1 7 hours ago, jpd80 said: Older article but some info on the Intake Valve problem (sorry, thought it was exhaust) The Silchrome Lite material only becomes problematic if it’s overheated during valve manufacture. While the below points over temp machining operation, the change to the better material occurred almost three years ago now…. https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/nhtsa-to-boost-investigation-into-catastrophic-failure-in-ford-v-6-engines/ “Ford advised that the defective valves were manufactured out of a specific alloy known as ‘Silchrome Lite’, which can become excessively hard and brittle if an over-temperature condition occurs during machining of the component. “A design modification was implemented in October 2021, which changed the intake valve material to a different alloy known as ‘Silchrome 1’ that is less susceptible to over-temperature during machine grinding. Ford has identified that the defective intake valves commonly fail early in a vehicle’s life and has suggested that the majority of failures have already occurred.” Like I’ve said, I think this is just a CYA exercise to make sure that any engines that might have the bad valves in it is taken care of before it goes. It’s just another black eye for ford anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 If anyone wonders why I got the 5.0 in my F-150... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 Hmm. I wonder when these were made and if mine falls under it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 11 hours ago, jpd80 said: Older article but some info on the Intake Valve problem (sorry, thought it was exhaust) The Silchrome Lite material only becomes problematic if it’s overheated during valve manufacture. While the below points over temp machining operation, the change to the better material occurred almost three years ago now…. Any idea what the test will be looking for in order to identify a pending failure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rick73 said: Any idea what the test will be looking for in order to identify a pending failure? Good question, I think Ford is using it as a way to clear vehicles that are running fine and replace those that are not. Idles properly with good vacuum, maybe do a leak down test, just basic tests. The failures occur suddenly and at low mileage, so maybe all the failures have already occurred. Edited September 1 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsurf Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 4 hours ago, rmc523 said: Hmm. I wonder when these were made and if mine falls under it The information I found online before I purchased my used 2022 explorer was the change to silchrome 1 was made on October 8, 2021. The engine serial number sticker is on the left valve cover and contains the engine date code Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exit32 Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 Apparently, the 3.0 engine in my 2022 Aviator was built on September 1, 2021 based on date code 21244. I await another recall notice. FWIW, here's a pic of my engine's serial number sticker: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 On 9/1/2024 at 7:44 AM, ausrutherford said: If anyone wonders why I got the 5.0 in my F-150... RAM may be facing similar sentiments after switching 1500 from Hemi to twin-turbo 3.0L six. Part of it may be that engine is new, and some buyers avoid anything brand new until issues are worked out, but others just prefer simpler stuff regardless. One guy I know well just traded his Hemi RAM for Chevy with pushrod V8. Apparently a high-tech engine wasn’t enough of an incentive. In fairness there were repair cost issues with previous RAM that exceeded expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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