Fair enough. Automotive NDAs are notoriously brutal, and it seems like secrecy on this project is top notch, I don't believe anyone on this site working within the traditional Ford system has even seen these vehicles or knows the intimate details on them, as it kinda sounds like all of that is being contained to the long beach facility at the moment.    I suspect given the additional layer of secrecy compared to normal programs, these skunkworks EVs will be like the Ford GT program all over again, known by a small team, but most of the details and products will be hidden from traditional Ford employees. My guess is a lot of them will see these vehicles for the first time the same time the public does. 

Too that point, NDA or not rumors don’t fly around the company the way they did 5-10 years ago.    used to hear all kinds of stuff on the production floor. I thought it might get even better when I crossed over to trades but it’s actually gotten worse if that’s the right way to phrase it. I used to be able to ask pretty much anyone certain things and get reasonably reliable information. Not anymore. 

I hope that disclosing that there's actually an NDA isn't a violation of the NDA, but the NDA's are especially strong on this program. Like, all programs are always under an assumed NDA. Insider information is wrong to disclose, company rules, etc., etc., but P833 (program number is already public) actually had us sign an explicit NDA for the program. Insiders on this site aren't anonymous.  

…which they can just copy and stack with their 30% battery cost advantage.  

That is the actual production car?? It looks like a 1980s concept car...and I actually kinda like it.    Its better then the generic bar of soap we've been getting as of late. 

I think we are all on the same page that this would be a Lincoln SUV based on T6 chassis. It will be a luxury SUV not a Bronco with fixed roof and Lincoln grille.   

Oh good grief - Lincoln stopped doing that 10 years ago.

And again, political pressure on the Donald will be great.  I'm surprised  the lady in the Statehouse hasn't been making a lot of noise😎

I think it's a good idea to enter what seems to be a growing segment.  My concern is just to make sure that they do enough differentiation to make it worthwhile for customers.  I feel if they just take a Bronco and change the body panels/fenders, tack a Lincoln grille on and insert a Lincoln dash, that it'll fail. I think buyers for that type of vehicle will want a fixed roof and the additional refinement/NVH that comes with that.  Bronco's roof as-is won't cut it, so I don't know if it's possible to build a fixed roof version around that (not just "perma-bolting" on a fixed roof over the roll cage) without it being ungainly, or if a complete new top hat is in the works.....that'd likely be "easier" since it's BOF, but also cost more because they're reusing less.   I think Bronco's dash setup would work perfectly with the new Lincoln interior - with a full width screen right at the base of the windshield.  We all know Ford is behind in the tech department, but it'd be really cool if they could have an offroad mode where get the front camera to display across the entire full width screen to do an "invisible hood" type setup.

There are a lot of good product design baked into Bronco New Energy. The more I see it, the more I like it.   Too bad we won't get it in the US.