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This thread is tiresome. Buy what you want and use it as you please. Problem solved.

My ICE vehicles have always done 100% of what I need but at a higher cost for fuel. I have never rented a vehicle because my ICE vehicle could not get the job done. I suspect very few vehicles are rented for that purpose. I hear this often that the complexity of a second drive train is inherently bad. Consumer Reports reliability data indicates hybrids are among the most reliable vehicles on the road: Hybrid Reliability The duel fuel capability of PHEVs is part of the reason why I have an Escape PHEV on order. If the grid goes down (like Texas a few winters ago) I can still drive. If gasoline becomes unavailable (or painfully expensive) I can still drive. For people that plug their PHEVs in (and that is likely a majority) it provides a great bridge until the grid and EV battery technology allows BEVs to be as practical and convenient as ICE vehicles.

Correct, you guys in the US use Center core transformers that mean you have 240v at your homes but split into two actives/phases to make 110v. I doubt that wiring up a 240v charger in the garage would be overly expensive and even if it was 2.4 Kwhr (10 amp), that would mean a 14.4 Kwhr PHEV Escape would easily charge overnight. I’m always leery/suspicious of research that says most PHEV owners don’t charge their vehicles as it suits the narrative of legislators in Europe to pursue a course that down plays those vehicles roles in transitioning the population away from efficient diesels, once championed by those governments. So yeah, demonise PHEV in order to advance BEV sales.

Back to PHEV. My daughter-in-law doesn't like PHEV because she sees it as "dirty" with lots of maintenance. I think it's irrational, a PHEV with 40-50 mile range is a great solution for most drivers. And modern ICE car maintenance is not much beyond an annual oil change. But that's the perception manufacturers have to address, I fear the PHEV has a tough road ahead in spite of it's obvious benefits.

or that’s where the priority is

Back on Nov 9th (page 3 of this thread), Stevedbvik1 noted that the Escape hybrids and PHEVs were already oversold by 2-4 times what Ford was planning to produce for the entire model year. So I guess it's not too much of a surprise.

I still want one if I can make it work within my budget

I certainly wouldn't buy an Escape or Bronco Sport. It's Maverick Hybrid (could buy a Sienna Hybrid though, but I don't want too) or keep what I have. One Lightning battery pack sacrificed is enough for what 75-80 Maverick packs? They are adding a 3rd shift to build Lightnings.....

I read that Ford wanted to give it an "American" design/look, so making it look like a baby Explorer makes sense. If Ford will stick to its original plans, this MEB-based model is mainly for the European market. Ford really needs to come up with more affordable EVs positioned below the Mach E that it can sell globally and build in multiple plants (in Europe, North America, Asia etc).

So PHEVs are horrible because they’re not BEVs and if we keep driving them the planet will explode. Got it, let’s move on.

I personally would much rather have a PHEV rather than a FHEV because I understand how I could use it in a way that would be the best of both BEV and HEV. How I use it may not be best for everyone else.

How in the hell is a vehicle that gets 40 mpg a “gross polluter”?

https://fordauthority.com/2023/01/ford-maverick-assembly-plant-to-add-third-shift-this-july/amp/ I guess Ford feels they have a good handle on supply issues to add another shift to make Mavericks, but I have a feeling the HEV Maverick isn’t part of this.

It helps any time you’re stopped even for a few seconds, But obviously the longer you’re stopped the better it works. I lost 2 mpg when mine stopped working.

Larger and/or newer house usually have 2 100 amp 120v connections. The house load is split between the two legs with each leg providing 120v to neutral (ground/earth). For 240v you take one hot lead from each leg and tie them together. That’s easy due to double pole circuit breakers that span both legs in the panel. So it’s as simple as installing a new breaker (assuming the panel has room) and running 12, 10, 8 or 6 gauge wire depending on the breaker amp rating.

The gloom in the article ignores the fact that most of Ford’s current and future production comes from Valencia, Romania and the reconfigured Cologne plant. Building Fiesta and Focus in Germany was hellishly expensive for vehicles expected to sell at competitively low prices. The near future for Ford Europe will be its new BEV “Escape” and “Focus Active” as well as BEV Puma plus imported Mach E……and that’s before switching any of the current C2 production out of Valencia.

Sorry for the delay, I never saw your response. My last 6 are A294xx

The very reason that Coal has been replaced by gas is that gas fired generators produce about 2/3s of the GHGs vs coal and most gas turbines can be fired up quickly and run as either peak load units or as base load in some instances. One big issue with coal plants is that they are uneconomical when running less than 70% generation capacity as they have to switch back to oil on lower numbers. Unfortunately, the chart I posted only goes up to 2020 but even that shows the big move away from coal fired plants as base load units. The renewables like solar, wind, hydro and biogas power generation are much later additions. If we could get hold of later data, it would indeed show a more rapid replacement of coal and greater use of renewables that are becoming cheaper to implement and produce bulk power. As solar and wind increase, they rip into base load supply and tend to accelerate the unprofitably of those coal plants so basically, renewables are forcing coal and gas out the door. The addition of massive battery storage capacity will ultimately be the nail in the coffin for a lot of gas fired generation. Respectfully, I think your view is slightly in the past and by that I mean maybe only 2015 or 2018 but in that time, there’s been one heck of a change. Heck, I didn’t realise it either until I actually stopped and looked at the data. Change is already well under way as the acceleration away from coal has sped up since 2015.

I agree they shouldn’t delete major items without notification. But what I’ve seen is they either provide the delete option and the buyer can decide if they want to keep or delete it or they announce that the change will affect all builds and then the buyer has the option to take the deletion or change the order to priority 99 and wait to see if it changes.

Good luck with that one...not sure if that issue is going to be fixed any time soon. Its terrible all over the place.

So in addition to burning coal, your also burning gasoline on top of that. At least with the BEV, you'd be eliminating one source of CO2 and other pollution.

That's good news. A third shift at Hermosillo needs to happen if they have the parts to build them. Dealers need Mavericks on the lot to sell. Honestly it could be a total cash cow if they had the volume. High end vehicles don't need volume to make profit, low end do.

I think it might be still called that...we are getting a BEV Explorer, but we will still have the D6 ICE Explorer till 2033 or so. I don't see them calling the BEV Explorer and ICE Explorer the same name...I can see the ICE Explorer moving to Patrol interceptor or something in the early 2030 since I'm going to assume that is who is going to buy most of them at that point.

Hopefully it’s that

The original Hackett plan was to make Oakville the MEB center for North America so this model would have been sold here to replace Escape so I'm not surprised by the strong Explorer influence. Remember the talk a while back that Ford was going to make Explorer a "family" like Mustang, Bronco, Transit, and F-Series? This could have been Explorer Sport. The revised Farley plan is to limit use of MEB to just Europe and only in 1 plant (Cologne). The rest of Ford Europe plants are aligned with GE2 products (Valencia) or modified B2 platform EV (Craiova). Saarlouis is on the chopping block... rumor is BYD is going to buy it from Ford. Ford hasn't said much about smaller EV other than Puma, which will debut later this year. I think the price point for that China requires means we probably will see some creative engineering. If Puma is a guide (using existing B2 platform), maybe we will see some C2 EV to compliment the more premium GE2 EV by 2025 or 2026.

A dealer not far from here is self registering the Bronco Raptors to sell them as "used" for a huge mark up. They also have a Ram dealership and they did the same with the TR-Xs they had. Sleazy...

Yes, the F-150 Powerboost has a lot of teething issues. All modern technology is inherently complex but that does make it inferior or bad as long as it is reliable. Your laptop and mobile phone along with the all of the underlying internet and mobile technology is mind boggling complex but it has also become very reliable. Same is true for most hybrids (but not all). But not all BEVs are reliable either (see EV Reliability). Here is a quote from that article that summarizes CR's findings: The F-150 Powerboost will improve with time as will BEVs as does most all modern technology. The fact that hybrids and PHEVs are complex is not a valid argument for dismissing them. Modern life and all the technology surrounding us is complex.

Comin' right up:

Dealer near me actually has a used one on the lot. They want $33.9k for it. https://www.gornoford.com/used-Woodhaven-2022-Ford-Maverick-XLT-3FTTW8E94NRA76247

They’re different batteries and suppliers, the added battery supply for Lightning came from delaying BEV Explorer/Aviator by 18 months Just my observation but it seems like Ford sees hybrids as beneficial during periods of high gas prices but then thinks buyers go off the bite when prices drop, I think the market is more sophisticated these days and buyers want what they want in spite of what Ford thinks.

I have not seen a Maverick on the lot actually for sale in months. They are all sold right off the truck here. More supply is a plus.

It is more than just battery packs, they are short other components as well and getting those made are a challenge with the labor shortage in the suppler industry. A Lighting or Mach-E ER battery cell usage can build about 65 other hybrids. ER Lighting would be over 80 If it was just a battery pack issue Ford would sacrifice 2000 units to build 120,000 hybrids.

It all came from Jack Webb. He did that with 'Dragnet' and 'Adam-12'. That guy invented reality T.V. (radio) 65+ years ago.

This is true. I priced out an Escape HEV vs PHEV, and after rebate they are roughly the same price. So it is a no brainer to get the PHEV. The Escape PHEV seems to be in extremely short supply though. I had one salesman trying to talk me out of the PHEV Escape because he claimed I would then have to pay a bunch of money for a 240V charging station. He ignored the fact that you can charge a PHEV on standard 110V outlet. That may be another possible reason why some aren't charging their PHEV, they may have been told they need to buy the charger. Just speculation on my part.

This all depends on how you’re looking at the problem. From the standpoint of reducing emissions they’re only slightly better than HEVs but more costly to build. From a consumer perspective there is a use case where a PHEV can dramatically reduce emissions with only one vehicle (folks who charge daily and drive less than. 30 miles per day normally). But that’s a small market segment. People with more than one vehicle can easily use a BEV.

Took delivery two weeks ago. 2022 F250 Lariat, Black Appearance Package and Tremor package. 2" BDS level kits and 22x10 Fuel Blitz with 35's.

My truck is finally at the dealer! I pick it up tomorrow afternoon! I’ll send pics when I get the chance.

I was wondering that exact same thing. That statement seems to put all hybrids in the category of "gross polluter". Driving my 2015 Fusion hybrid here in Florida I consistently get over 50 mpg. It is far from being a gross polluter.

What a poorly written article. It does not provide a single reason why people don't plug in the cars. It simply says newer owners of phev do not maximize charging. Is this because they use their vehicles on long trips where the electric charging is likely not used once leaving home? It doesn't say. How is the data collected? Doesn't say. What do the owners think? Has charging changed due to work from home since the start of COVID? Is this including used car sales where people might have bought whatever was available during the shortages? It doesn't say. As for regulator opinions, the results are caused by regulators trying to regulate people for a specific outcome. Poorly thought out regulations and incentives produce results that are significantly different than intended.

Just as long as you don't mind the inconvenience of bring it in for service.

We are running 3 shifts. A Crew Mon-Thurs day shift, B crew Tue-Fri night shift & C crew Fri-Mon split shift.