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Farley never had any intention of continuing the commodity product Edge. He would rather have an assembly plant site idle til 2027 which is insane! I don’t believe this study bullshit.

Don’t give California any ideas….

how about banning of Plastic straws...now you get a cardboard straw...WRAPPED in plastic.....??????????????

There are people who feel sorry for victims and want to help them even if the victim was 100% responsible for their own actions. Like people who jaywalk at night in dark clothing and get hit by a car and killed. Sorry that’s their fault not the driver. Empathy should not excuse liability or supercede the law. A certain group of people want to outlaw or ban certain things simply because it’s an easy solution that requires them to do absolutely nothing personally just so they can say they tried something so they can sleep better. The problem with this approach is it never addresses the true root cause and therefore doesn’t solve the problem. A simple example would be NYC banning large soft drinks. Does that stop people from overeating? Did it stop them from getting five refills? Of course not. But somebody slept better when that law was passed thinking they were improving people’s health.

The law covers this already. It’s called negligence. Giving a minor 16 yr old new driver a powerful car could absolutely be considered negligence the same as giving them access to a gun without proper training and supervision. But a 21 yr old is an adult in every consideration and is 100% responsible for their decisions and actions not the people who legally sell them something. I believe people should be held personally accountable for their actions. Period. If you’re participating in an illegal activity then you’re also responsible for whatever happens whether it’s street racing or a robbery gone bad. If you’re negligent with a minor you’re responsible. But selling legal products to adults is where I draw the line. What someone does with a Lamborghini is their responsibility. And while I don’t want to turn this into a political discussion - I feel the same way about guns.

Somebody do a welfare check on rperez817……

Legal basis? None whatsoever. But that doesn’t stop greedy, lazy people from trying and sometimes stupid juries agree with them, like the guy who was driving an Explorer drunk without seatbelts, drove off the road and flipped it and was thrown out and killed. Lawsuit said if Ford had installed laminated side glass he wouldn’t have been thrown out - and they won millions of dollars. You can’t make up stuff like that.

https://blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/66486-reliable-source-told-me-rear-drive-lincoln-coupe-and-sedan-coming-soon/ Seems like it. Big shame.

2024 Ford Mustang Mach-E Lineup Gets New eMotor, More Range (fordauthority.com) Perhaps the biggest change present in the 2024 Ford Mustang Mach-E is the addition of a brand new eMotor, which was developed in-house by FoMoCo engineers and is present in all trim levels. The new eMotor weighs less than the outgoing unit and also helps deliver improved torque across the lineup. The 2024 Ford Mustang Mach-E extended range battery now charges around 20 percent faster than previous models when using DC fast chargers – going from 10-80 percent in 36.2 minutes, wile the standard range battery can complete the same task in a quicker 32.3 minutes as well.

Looks like a skinny kid wearing a fake muscle suit.

Ugly. It looks like they took something chiseled and pumped it up too much with a tire pump to where it looks bloated.

ok..heres one...we are now required to get a form signed either opting in or out getting their Catalysts etched with an identification number...Not kidding...now apparently Dealerships are an arm of Insurance agencies...I do wonder what happens if someones etched Cat gets stolen...what then, theDealership has to employ and investigation commitee???? California 101, the ONLY state that wiull tax you if you leave....

I want to get excited......

What’s that old saying? “Never confuse motion with progress.”

I can see it now. The legislatures will set forth a training process that dealerships must conduct, with the vehicle buyer prior to delivery, regarding the safe and legal operation of the vehicle. At the time of delivery, the buyer must sign an agreement disclosing that they were provided with the mandated training, in order to protect the dealership from potential litigation. It'll just be more paperwork to be signed at delivery. In CT, a customer signs more paperwork to purchase or lease a vehicle than that for a real estate transaction.

Although we're not technically energy independent, we are a net exporter, at least as of the last numbers published.

Agree that’s direction heavy trucks may be headed, though for over the road applications, I think a modified series hybrid system may be used where a clutch will connect diesel engine directly to drive wheels once truck reaches cruising speed. That greatly reduces generator and electric-motor losses. A similar approach is being used in some hybrid automobiles which further increases highway fuel effficiency.

You cite an obvious abuse of the legal system, but can you see or imagine the flip side at all? A similar occurrence last week had an NFL football player racing a Lamborghini at very high speeds through Dallas, causing a wreck that left some innocent people injured. Fortunately no one was killed as far as I know. Question I have is whether Rashee Rice is 100% guilty/responsible, or did others also contribute? The conservative in me says he must be only one held responsible for the greater good of society, but my common sense questions whether this is like idiot parents giving a loaded gun to their disturbed child who then kills innocent school children. Not an exact parallel, but I think you see my point. Playing Devil’s Advocate, when a manufacturer designs and builds a 1,000 HP car, they can claim drivers should only race them on a track, right? Kind of telling your sick kid to only use gun at shooting range. Does that free them of consequences? In my layman’s opinion, an attorney could argue that practically all Lamborghini will be raced illegally on the streets, and manufacturer should know better than design such a menace. Attorneys for Lamborghini would then argue that essentially all cars are driven illegally at some point. Most things are not black and white, but some shades of grey are close enough to draw the line.

He's probably going off about how all these complaints are made up by people paid off by the big 3 to hurt Tesla, and talking about how any day now, Ford is gonna go out of business, any day now...

Don't be obtuse, I find the triangular design to be rather adorable, acute even.

That is a bit of a leap there The market in general has many different issue, with the biggest being pricing and interest rates along with the general feeling of uncertainty with the economy. With inflation cutting into peoples buying power, people are finally making more prudent purchasing decisions. Plunging Pickup Truck Sales Threaten Detroit’s Profit Engine Then add in the uncertainty with consumers and EVs, the early adaptors won't have an issue, but people who are on the fence are going to be harder to convince, are you going to buy something that might have a 300-400 mile range in 20 minutes 2-3 years after you buy one? The EV market needs to mature more before people become comfortable in buying them. Hopefully the charging infrastructure still grows even as EV demand softens over the next few years to help mitigate that issue.

the US is more or less energy independent from the rest of the world at this point.

I agree with you, he explicitly said the Mach-E is way better than the Edge and we don’t want commodity products we want passion products lol. They realize the product they’re working on probably wouldn’t even sell 50000 a year so that’s why we’re in this mess. Some people honestly believe the next step will be a plant closure. I won’t go that far yet, anything is possible with Ford.

Yeah and even if it was possible, ita good bet that Farley would have made sure the answer was no. Extending the existing Edge would be a huge embarrassment after taking up new BEV products. Its the same thing as when he ducked the dealer discussion, better to avoid a conversation altogether. Like I said in the other thread, Ford is redesigning these BEVs for the third time……Yikes.

The ball ripping thing here is that OPEC is desperately trying to raise the price of crude to $100/barrel and the US needs to fight this hammer and tong as it’s just the oil nations trying to bleed us all again. If that Price jumped to $100/ barrel, I think diesel becomes more in play but it needs advanced modern emission technology to drop emissions to super low levels. Bosch found the key after dieselgate but it wasn’t able to be retrofitted to existing diesels. It basically uses all existing emissions equipment but requires diesels to be run hotter and more importantly, the temperature controlled in a lot narrower range. https://www.bosch.com/stories/new-diesel-engine-technology/ Wondering if smaller diesel Gen set and battery setup would work better in semi trucks but that’s another topic..

Oh yeah! That was done at the request of White Motors. When White spun off Diamond Reo in 1972 the Reo gas engines were included, that left White without a gasoline option. For a year or two White offered the GMC V-6's in some 4000 series trucks until they introduced the 'Giesel'. The 'Giesel' or 'Mustang VIII' as it was sometimes called was basically a Cummins 470 V-8 re-engineered into a gasoline engine. Lower compression pistons, spark plugs where the injectors were, a distributor and a 2bbl. Holley carburetor. I know few were made, but I never heard anything bad about the Giesel either. It was bound to be better than any of the small Cummins V-6 and V-8 diesels!

It finally showed up at dealer this morning!!! After 8 months from ordering, it arrived! It still needs spray in bedliner and PDI, but I get to bring her home tomorrow! Dealer sent me this pic early this morning.

Weight would certainly be a drawback, but I imagine it's not of much consequence in the class truck they're building them for. Few hundred extra pounds is a drop in the bucket paid off with higher dependability and longevity. I think it's more about making these things survive in this weight class, all that extra weight aids in cooling and rigidity under heavy load. Diesel heads are usually pretty limited air flow wise at higher rpm (where gas engines usually live), but looks like they are mimicking the same or very close rpm range between gas and diesel with this one. All conjecture on my part, but it is an interesting engine.

IIRC Cummins tried the same thing a half century ago when they converted their small diesel V8 to a "Giesel". Didn't hear any complaints about them, but that might be because they didn't sell many!

It will be a shame if Ford can’t produce a competitive electric Lincoln. All I have seen is rumors then cancellations. Rivian based Lincoln cancelled, Lincoln Corsair-e cancelled, and now it’s uncertain what Lincoln will even do going forward. This is ridiculous.

The 300 was close to maxed out in displacement, so it couldn’t be enlarged much anyway. I’ve read articles of engines being bored and stroked slightly, but not enough to make a difference in this context of powering large trucks and other heavy vehicles. It would be limited to approximately 5 liters (from original 4.9L). As much as I would personally like to see Ford create a new large-displacement inline-6 for trucks, I think there is essentially no chance of that happening. It would simply have too little application because of physical size. An inline-6 variant of 7.3L V8 would yield 5.5 liters, and maybe could be stroked to 6-liters, but without turbocharging it would be going in wrong direction compared to already-available 7.3L V8. Other than designing a gas version of Power Stroke diesel V8, a lower-cost option may be a +/- 6-liter EcoBoost twin-turbo V8. Maybe Ford could resurrect the long-stroke tall-deck Modular V8 to make a new truck-specific engine. That same architecture minus turbos could also serve as naturally-aspirated engine for large hybrids, thereby spreading cost over greater volume. Even if possible to design a long-stroke Coyote-based EcoBoost V8 for trucks, I doubt it would be considered. It would likely compete well on power, torque, fuel economy and cost with new Cummins, but perceived ruggedness and durability would not be competitive in my opinion.

JP- Agree 100% with your first comment. That is my point- 6.7 PS Sales in 650/750 in those two states are I'm sure a fraction of the 6.7 Cummins sales in Internationals and Paccars.-so they (cummins) really have an incentive to have a gasser. Ford HAS a serviceable gasser but instead of tweaking that-and most importantly adding air brakes as an option that would make the 650/750 all that more attractive/competitive, they do nothing. Ford Pro is a one dimensional effort IMO based on the success of the Transit. Rick- I get it on the 300's "as is" configuration. My question is how many cubes could you get out of it- I'm sure you couldn't get it to 6 L, but better yet as good as the 300 was, does the architecture lend itself to a bigger version...if in fact Ford Pro recognizes the value of class 4,5, 6,7 if they really want to hold Ford's position as the commercial leader.

I seriously considered a Crown as my next daily as I yearn to get back into a sedan, but at the end of the day, I just couldn't pull the trigger to buy a Toyota....I hope Ford (or Lincoln) will bring back a proper sedan.

More like make excuses by calling it a commodity product

well, given it’s Ford, they’ll probably give a minor refresh and leave it on the market for 6 more years, sales will dry up and Ford will sit there wondering why a 10+ year old product isn’t selling lol

Ok, but on what projects? The delayed EVs? we are not seeing anything new so far instead 🙃

Hard to keep track these days of all the Lincoln things that have been canned.

I love mine, WARN has already sent me a new Wireless controller as the first one "died" surprisingly in the first year. No idea... but either way, I've had to use my Wired controller at least 50% of the time. Frankly, you get spoiled with this and I'd seriously have regrets about not having a winch on a future vehicle.

Is it just CAP or possibly other Ford facilities? Down week with MP1 build scheduled? Model year balance out starting three days before the last day of producing MP1 ? MPP2 what's that? VIN Roll umm no. 20 to 26% awol daily. Process coaches awol daily. Equipment creating more issues than good units. Anyone can be an engineer even managers from Target. Part shortage one of the favorite excuses to short shift. Close the facility building PHEV and FHEV`s move FHEV production back to the facility that didn`t have the floor space to build FHEV`s. Without adding square footage. FHEV`s will be very low volume mix rate. DAMMM Police FHEV orders are whaaaat? And that is just a short over view of the short list of CAP`s downward spiral.

this GT was sold , to a 21 year old kid at approx 5.30 pm, gave him the keys, put my hand on his shoulder and told him to be careful, that thecar has just under 500 horse and can be scary in naive hands....this was less than 5 hours later...BEFORE the rains....