nruggiero Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 http://wot.motortrend.com/2015-lincoln-navigator-spied-testing-on-public-roads-407423.html#axzz2fAD8LaIf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I thought that Lincoln's head designer said the split grill wouldn't work on all products? Hmmm...should be interesting how this turns out... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Maybe it's not a split grille. We should ask Borg. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) Well, unless the portions of grille visible under the mesh camo (also sporting the black and white "composition book" paint) are some sort of red herring, it does appear to have some iteration of the split-wing grille. You can see the center vertical panel in the shot below. As always, I'll reserve judgement until we see the finished product. But to be quite honest, I was hoping to see something other than this treatment on the 'Gator. I guess it will probably be okay, as long as it doesn't end up like... Edited September 17, 2013 by PREMiERdrum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I thought that Lincoln's head designer said the split grill wouldn't work on all products? ... yup tho I tried to talk him out of that... ...never underestimate the power of Approvers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I thought that Lincoln's head designer said the split grill wouldn't work on all products? Hmmm...should be interesting how this turns out... They said it wouldn't work, not that they wouldn't put it on anyway. I'll reserve judgement until the camo is removed...Borg ran off and stole my camo x-ray glasses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twmalonehunter Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 They said it wouldn't work, not that they wouldn't put it on anyway. I'll reserve judgement until the camo is removed...Borg ran off and stole my camo x-ray glasses. Yea whatever happened to Borg anyways? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Now, the telephoto lens gives a foreshortening effect, but that sure is one aggressive Navigator for the way it sits on those capable tires. Just wondering, now that L-R is gone, if the Nav is going for a deep trip through the parts bin for power and handling. I could be mistaken, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Yea whatever happened to Borg anyways? He removed himself from here after getting beat up for his tirades on things... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 This is just a facelift of the current Navigator correct? Is it still going to be called the Navigator or will they switch it to MKN? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 They said it wouldn't work, not that they wouldn't put it on anyway. I'll reserve judgement until the camo is removed...Borg ran off and stole my camo x-ray glasses. Maybe they go with full width horizontal grille bars on it? This is just a facelift of the current Navigator correct? Is it still going to be called the Navigator or will they switch it to MKN? Yes, correct. I don't see them going away from the Navigator name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpvbs Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 or will they switch it to MKN? Certainly not MKN since that nomenclature would make sense considering the Navigator is a well known, successful product. To follow the current Lincoln system, I would suggest MKW as there is no logic to it that I can discern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30 OTT 6 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) It will still have an IRS. That much is confirmed. Edited September 18, 2013 by 30 OTT 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 It will still have an IRS. That much is confirmed. This is basically an extensive MCE similar from when they went from 2006 to 2007. What we still don't know for sure is will it still have IRS an the next generation when it merges with the next F150 or will it have 4" higher 3rd row seats like the new GM SUV's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Now, the telephoto lens gives a foreshortening effect, but that sure is one aggressive Navigator for the way it sits on those capable tires. Just wondering, now that L-R is gone, if the Nav is going for a deep trip through the parts bin for power and handling. I could be mistaken, though. The shorter wheelbase Navigator in these photos looks to have at least 22" wheels while the "L" seems to have 20" wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 The shorter wheelbase Navigator in these photos looks to have at least 22" wheels while the "L" seems to have 20" wheels. Likely nothing but trim levels/optional wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Likely nothing but trim levels/optional wheels. True, but anything bigger than 20" would be new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nruggiero Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) Wescoent from GMI: Navigator made a big splash when it debuted, then followed up with a really excellent redesign in 2003. Then, for ten years, it withered on the vine. You can't go from zero to hero in one redesign. That's how you needlessly waste money.Also, the Lincoln brand cannot support what the next Navigator will be, at this moment in time. New Lincoln utility products will overlap where the Navigator is today, and with Range Rover cast off to another corporate sugar daddy to leech off of, the Navigator needs to rise to the near 6-figure mark to make sense. Right now, the dealership and product range doesn't support that, but in 3-5 years, it will be an entirely different story. Edited September 18, 2013 by nruggiero 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Right now, the dealership and product range doesn't support that, but in 3-5 years, it will be an entirely different story. I think that is the biggest stumbling block for Lincoln...the dealerships, esp if they are shared with Ford. I also don't think they'll be able to command 80-100K for a Navigator anyways in 3-5 years either...maybe 10... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nruggiero Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 I think that is the biggest stumbling block for Lincoln...the dealerships, esp if they are shared with Ford. I also don't think they'll be able to command 80-100K for a Navigator anyways in 3-5 years either...maybe 10... I agree. I'm not sure Lincoln can deliver a five star dealership experience in ten years.... It takes a long time to change a sleazy dealer network. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extreme4x4 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Why don't we revisit this in 3-5 years. Nobody thought Ford would fix Ford in the short timeframe that they did it in, either. Once the product cadence picks up, you might be surprised. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Why don't we revisit this in 3-5 years. Nobody thought Ford would fix Ford in the short timeframe that they did it in, either. Once the product cadence picks up, you might be surprised. You and your silly logic........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZanatWork Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Actually, I can say that I did. In the years before Mullaly was hired, a few of us maniacs suggested that Ford would have greater success once it quit relying on outdated platforms, which included the Fox (as that generation of Mustang was on its way out), the Panther, and the much-lambasted early Focus...along with the rental-special that was the Taurus of the time.Similarly, I've said a ton (and yet, had it ignored) that it's not my lack of faith in Lincoln, it's the fact that the line wasn't deviated far enough from Ford...and that I believe FoMoCo is capable of better engineering efforts.If the MKZ keeps its momentum, and the coming MKC can bring in the volume we all (I've been fairly admiring of the concept) hope for, the brand can draw in some more newer customer blood. These are obviously desirable outcomes.The Navigator is an area of considerable speculation. Yeah, it and its sibling are getting MCEs for the moment...but will the next Navi be more CUV than SUV? The rumors swirl.... Why don't we revisit this in 3-5 years. Nobody thought Ford would fix Ford in the short timeframe that they did it in, either. Once the product cadence picks up, you might be surprised. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 From what we know, Lincoln is getting a new MKC, a new MKX, a new MKS, a refreshed Navigator......... all seen in the last six months. Next year should be big news for Lincoln and another step in the right direction... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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