ANTAUS Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 http://www.autoblog.com/2015/12/17/ford-f150-jaguar-land-rover-diesel-spy-shots/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98GMLS Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Makes sense, this should of happened for the 2015 model year. They will continue to dominate the market if it gets the v6 diesel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Makes sense, this should've of happened for the 2015 model year. They will continue to dominate the market if it gets the v6 diesel. FTFY 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) Well, Autoblow Autoblog is wrong about the origin of the engine... The F-150 is not "packing a Jaguar-Land Rover turbo diesel V6" as the article says, but rather a Ford turbo diesel V6. This is not a Land Rover engine - it is the Ford-Peugeot Lion engine. Tata they must be paying Ford to do the emission compliance work, because Tata does not have the expertise or the resources to tackle something this complicated. However, I do agree with their assertion that Ford is testing a diesel F-150. If Ford was merely doing emission work for hire, they would just use Range Rover mules to do the testing. The fact that this truck has revised exhaust and plumbing for urea treatment system (I assume the camouflaged bed to to hide the refilling area for the urea tank) tells me Ford is definitely serious about selling it. Perhaps the fact that Tata paid for the emission compliance costs helped Ford make the math work. Edited December 17, 2015 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Nothing really new here. Autoline Daily reported this several months back. And Pioneer has mentioned this repeatedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 However, I do agree with their assertion that Ford is testing a diesel F-150. Ford was testing diesel F-150s at least as far back as '02 (akirby and I both know someone who was involved in testing it), so this really shouldn't be a surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Ford was testing diesel F-150s at least as far back as '02 (akirby and I both know someone who was involved in testing it), so this really shouldn't be a surprise. Trying to figure out which Victoria's secret model that would be............ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Ford was testing diesel F-150s at least as far back as '02 (akirby and I both know someone who was involved in testing it), so this really shouldn't be a surprise. Right... but this time they are testing it in a 2015 F-150 with an engine that we know will be certified for sale in the US in 2016 model year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02MustangGT Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 So 2017 model year? By that time gas will cost more than diesel fuel. Good timing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I'm not a huge diesel fan.... We have diesel f250s in Security Forces and they all suck ass. Motors don't want to get going, redline to get over the speed bump, and transmissions that don't want to play. We tear up our gas vehicles too... But at least they're reliable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Trying to figure out which Victoria's secret model that would be............ Shh. That part's the Secret. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donaldo Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 So 2017 model year? By that time gas will cost more than diesel fuel. Good timing. Diesel has been cheaper than gas for most of 2015 on the west coast. Sometimes the discount has been close to to $1/gallon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Diesel has been cheaper than gas for most of 2015 on the west coast. Sometimes the discount has been close to to $1/gallon Its changed on the East Coast...Its anywhere from 20-30 cents more then regular in MD and NJ now. Regular ranges from 1.99 down to 1.79 a gallon now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Yeah, I don't know why that would be. Diesel costs more than regular unleaded here as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Here's the thing. FCA proved that even if it's gutless, a 1/2 ton diesel will still sell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 From what we know with FCA's diesel research, the Cummins 5.0 it couldn't get more than 24 mpg on the highway test. Keep in mind that the Ram 1500 is also 700-800 lbs heavier than the current F150 so a slightly smaller 4.4 V8 diesel in the lighter F150 would probably put it in the 25-26 mpg zone with an 8-speed. So I'm wondering if this would be a way of offering a V8 diesel in F150, Expedition and NAV even with an $8,000 premium Maybe the Lifestyle Trucks and SUVs make a come back in a way that protects them from future higher gas prices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Yep, diesel is still about 10-15% higher than regular here as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Wouldn't a low-mpg diesel be bad for an automakers CAFE, or is diesel in its own category? Sales are great, but so many people say v8s will disappear due to cafe, and I would think the same force would hurt diesel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Wouldn't a low-mpg diesel be bad for an automakers CAFE, or is diesel in its own category? Sales are great, but so many people say v8s will disappear due to cafe, and I would think the same force would hurt diesel Low-MPG anything is bad for CAFE. Diesel typically gets 10-20% better fuel economy than gas (less now with the tighter emissions), so that's why you would offer a diesel. It would NOT be a low-MPG diesel, it would be a high-MPG diesel (see Ram, Ecodiesel). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydro Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) Diesel has been cheaper than gas for most of 2015 on the west coast. Sometimes the discount has been close to to $1/gallon That will change after January. Exxon Mobil lost their FCC (fluid catalytic cracker) last Feb and a few other refinery's (which I'm not at liberty to mention) have also lost their FCC's due to part failures or shutdowns. One major will be fired back up late December and that will bring 4 million gallons/ day of fuel back into the pool, thus driving down cost. The FCC's make the majority gasoline at oil refinery's. Mobil isn't expected to be up until late 1Q. Edited December 22, 2015 by Hydro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Caylor Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I noticed you're from SoCal. I also noticed a very recent increase in gas prices at what I call my "reference" station from $2.75 to $2.89 for 87 octane. Right now, here in SoCal, diesel is cheaper than 87 octane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydro Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) Hopefully there will be some relief soon Steve. As I mentioned, a huge plant (270,000 barrels/ day ) will be starting their FCC back up on Dec 30th after an unplanned shutdown. It usually takes about 7-10 days to get back on spec and fully ramp'd up, but with Mobil still down until at least March we won't see low $2 unfortunately. On a side note, did you guys see the proposal to add a $1/gallon gas tax while prices are low so we could help ease the debt.. unfucking believable. Edited December 22, 2015 by Hydro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 On a side note, did you guys see the proposal to add a $1/gallon gas tax while prices are low so we could help ease the debt.. unfucking believable. There's been talk in Jersey about raising the gas tax in Jersey (which is one of the lowest in the country surprisingly, considering all the other taxes we have here)...but in all likelyhood, this money would be funneled to something else instead of improving roads/bridges in the state! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 There's been talk in Jersey about raising the gas tax in Jersey (which is one of the lowest in the country surprisingly, considering all the other taxes we have here)...but in all likelyhood, this money would be funneled to something else instead of improving roads/bridges in the state! Still can't believe you can't pump your own gas in NJ. For "safety" reasons....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Still can't believe you can't pump your own gas in NJ. For "safety" reasons....... If you know the folks from Jersey, you would understand...... I'm kidding silversvt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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