fuzzymoomoo Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) I just paid $1.49 yesterday (regular price $1.89) at my local Kroger Edited November 22, 2016 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) Wonder if the 3.7 will be phased out across the board... what's it left in - Transit and Lincolns? MKT, MKX, Continental, Transit, Mustang, PIU MKT is on the way out. MKX will probably get 3.0TT during mid cycle update. Continental 3.7 is livery special... I don't expect it to live very long once the retail side of the business is established and Ford simplifies the build combination. Transit will surely follow F-150 to the new 3.5 at the next update. PIU will keep 3.7 as long as the current gen Explorer is around... which is 2019? Mustang 3.7 phase out? Sure makes sense if you assume Ford is not going to invest in a bunch of money to certify if with 10 speed auto in RWD application (or 9 speed FWD for that matter). Edited November 22, 2016 by bzcat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 91 octane....$3.19 a gallon. 87 $2.99........there we go...thankyou California blends.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 91 octane....$3.19 a gallon. 87 $2.99........there we go...thankyou California blends.... And the quirks of history--California didn't need lots of pipeline capacity connecting it to the rest of the US back when they were building lots of pipelines and now they aren't and Cali could use that capacity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 I wonder if Performance Package 2 will have Magnaride as well as the GT350's changed suspension pick up points, that would really wake up the regular Mustang's handling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 @atomcat....funny, I get into the octane discussion all the time, theres a catch 22 though....we don't get 93 here, but the difference in cost between 87 and 91 octane is usually 15 -20 cents....so, when I fill up my ST ( it takes about 12 gallons )...it costs me about $2.40 more...big deal, that's less than a double half caff milk soy with a double expresso shot that just unchains the hoon in me when behind the wheel and elicits nervous twitches and rapid eye blinking at stoplights ...but my MPGs also go up a couple of miles per gallon, so IMO it more than makes up for the difference and the car benefits from more Horsepower. Not only that, Ive never used anything other than 91 octane Chevron in my Bike, heads were off at 80000 and were as clean as new and didn't even need valve adjustment, I just hit 96000 miles...ZERO issues. Bike takes 4.2 gallons...that's 84 cents...its tough, but I can live with that... Price difference between 87 and 93 octane gas here in CT is 40-50 cents/gallon depending on the brand and location! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettech Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Why not let the engine adjust to the octane in the tank? The current engine does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Why not let the engine adjust to the octane in the tank? The current engine does. They all do. The statement was about getting the advertised power and fuel economy which is only available with premium. You don't have to run premium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jpd80 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 (edited) The original argument was whether a reworked DI V6 with the 10 speed auto would match the performance of the 2.3 EB without needing premium fuel? I think it's a question that Ford neatly avoids by keeping the V6 Mustang as a limited base model. I think that becomes less logical when we look at how GM manages the issue with Camaro's engine choices. GM uses a 2.0 T as the base engine and then asks more $$ for the V6 option which does give better performance. It's an interesting and contrasting situation but I have to wonder if the two companies are appealing to different sets of buyers who have very different views on V6 engines and I-4 turbos.. Edited November 23, 2016 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader 10 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 A 2.7/10 speed would be a great mid-range Mustang powertain. Maybe it will be available for the next generation. It sure would be nice to see Ford replace the hood prop rod with gas assisted struts. Nothing says cheap quite like a prop-rod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 that's less than a double half caff milk soy with a double expresso shot What in the wide, wide world of sports is that? And don't try to tell me it's coffee, because you know what's in coffee? Coffee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 91 octane....$3.19 a gallon. 87 $2.99........there we go...thankyou California blends.... Geez--I just paid $1.63/gal for E10 87. I could've gotten real gas for less than $2/gallon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StangBang Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 It sure would be nice to see Ford replace the hood prop rod with gas assisted struts. Nothing says cheap quite like a prop-rod. There is no excuse for that sh**! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 I remember when Ford completely eliminated the gas struts in their vehicles in the second half of the 2000's, even Lincoln's didn't have them. It was a time when Ford was heavily decontenting and cost cutting absolutely every part on a car. I know most Ford vehicles still don't have them and I know with further belt-tightening going on now they aren't likely to add them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettech Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Most owners don't open the hoods. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Although I understand the hood prop does look cheap. If you have ever been hit by a hood because the struts are weak or failing, you appreciate the prop. Plus customers don't care and won't pay to replace them. I actually like the aftermarket kits that add the struts and you can leave the original prop as a back up. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
351cid Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 THIS. I prefer the prop rod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) Although I understand the hood prop does look cheap. If you have ever been hit by a hood because the struts are weak or failing, you appreciate the prop. Plus customers don't care and won't pay to replace them. I actually like the aftermarket kits that add the struts and you can leave the original prop as a back up. This is an old car problem, not a new car problem. It's a luxury, like any other item it will break but you don't remove features just to keep it from breaking. Edited November 25, 2016 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 This is an old car problem, not a new car problem. It's a luxury, like any other item it will break but you don't remove features just to keep it from breaking. A heated steering wheel is a luxury item. Hood struts are a convenience item. Most owners do not open the hood. That said, mustang is a different story. I agree mustang should have hood struts. Especially on high performance models. However, I stand by that most mechanics are with me that the prop won't let you down. Ever have a Lincoln navigator hood fall on your back? Most owners will not pay to replace. Plus these vehicles are not old. I'm talking 4-5 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader 10 Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 I can understand struts failing in 4 to 5 years is a problem especially for mechanics and it would seem to me that poor quality is the issue. Struts that last at least twice that long doesn't seem unreasonable to me, particularly for a Lincoln model. I would think the prop rod would be a pain to work around for mechanics. Just as a strut can fail, a prop rod can be bumped and let a hood slam down, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 I've worked on every car I've ever owned and all have had a prop rod. Not one of them has EVER fallen down when I accidentally bump the rod. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 I've worked on every car I've ever owned and all have had a prop rod. Not one of them has EVER fallen down when I accidentally bump the rod. They typically have a slot they insert into....it'd take some strange/unusual/just perfect bumping to have that happen. As for the struts failing....knock on wood, my Flex is 8 years old and I've not had any problems with either of them. Of course now that I say something.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucelinc Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Apparently, all the cars that I have owned must have either had light hoods or strong struts. (2 T-birds, Lincoln LS, 3 Taurus', Lincoln MKS) I have NEVER had a hood strut fail and I raise the hood every time I wash my cars so that I can dry the seams and wipe away any dust under the hood. I put an aftermarket strut kit on my Ranger and it has been trouble free, also. Nothing screams cheap to me quite as loudly as a hood prop rod. Might as well use one for the trunk, too. Reminds me of using baling wire or duct tape to hold up the exhaust system. Obviously, fordtech has seen them fail and he no doubt is under hoods more than I am so I respect his thinking. That doesn't mean that I will ever have a car with a prop rod, though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 (edited) I appreciate simplicity and prop rods are simple and effective and never wear out or need replacement. You also don't need springs to assist them. I just don't understand why some folks see it as cheap (even though it obviously is cheaper and that may have been Ford's motivation). I would only consider it cheap if it didn't work so well. Edited November 26, 2016 by akirby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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