bzcat Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Definitely fleet. Ranger was selling very little to retail towards the end. Retail customers were steered towards Sporttrac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, bzcat said: Definitely fleet. Ranger was selling very little to retail towards the end. Retail customers were steered towards Sporttrac. Hmmm. Last year for the Sport Trac was 2010 and I don't recall ever seeing a single TV ad for the Sport Trac, at least not the 2nd gen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford-boy Posted December 6, 2018 Author Share Posted December 6, 2018 If the old Ranger had many years near the 300,000 mark, why would the new Ranger estimates be so low. ? This table didn't copy well. Ford Ranger sales (1985-2012)[48]Calendar yearUS sales1985 247,042 1986 269,490 1987 305,295 1988 298,579 1989 184,125 1990 280,610 1991 233,503 1992 247,777 1993 340,184 1994 344,744 1995 309,085 1996 288,393 1997 [49]298,796 1998 [50]328,136 1999 [51]348,358 2000 330,125 2001 [52]272,460 2002 [53]226,094 2003 209,117 2004 [54]156,322 2005 120,958 2006 [55]92,420 2007 72,711 2008 [56]65,872 2009 [57]55,600 2010 [ 58]55,364 2011 [59]70,832 2012 19,366 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzach Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 My guess would be sales have gone to Tacoma (not sure what Toyota truck sales were those years) and small sport utilities will hold buyers that might have gone for a Ranger if they didn't exist which for the most part they didn't during Rangers last run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 21 minutes ago, ford-boy said: If the old Ranger had many years near the 300,000 mark, why would the new Ranger estimates be so low. ? Because they aren't going to sell $9999 Rangers anymore to keep plants busy. Here are the Tacoma sales since 2000 Calendar Year US 2000 147,295[42] 2001 161,983[citation needed] 2002 151,960[43] 2003 154,154[44] 2004 152,932[44] 2005 168,831[45] 2006 178,351[46] 2007 173,238[citation needed] 2008 144,655[47] 2009 111,824[48] 2010 106,198[49] 2011 110,705[49] 2012 141,365[50] 2013 159,485[51] 2014 155,041[52] 2015 179,562[53] 2016 191,631[54] 2017 198,124[55] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevensecondsuv Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 2 hours ago, akirby said: And retail customers That's why I bought mine. Drove so many used ones over the years I just had to grab a new one before they were all gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 1 hour ago, silvrsvt said: Because they aren't going to sell $9999 Rangers anymore to keep plants busy. That is Expensive! I just remember in High School everyone had the $59/month 0 down Ranger lease back in 1998. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 7 hours ago, silvrsvt said: From wikipedia First Colum is Colorado and the second is Canyon 2004[33] 117,475 27,193 144,668 2005[33] 128,359 34,845 163,204 2006[34] 93,876 23,979 117,855 2007[35] 75,716 20,888 96,604 2008[35] 54,346 14,974 69,320 2009[36] 32,413 10,107 42,520 2010[37] 24,642 7,992 32,634 2011[38] 31,026 9,590 40,616 2012[39] 36,840 8,735 45,575 2013[40] 3,412 929 4,341 2014 8,003 3,070 11,073 2015[42] 84,430 30,077 114,507 2016[44] 108,725 37,449 146,174 2017[46] 112,996 32,106 145,102 Ranger for S&G 2004[54] 156,322 2005 120,958 2006[55] 92,420 2007 72,711 2008[56] 65,872 2009[57] 55,600 2010[58] 55,364 2011[59] 70,832 2012 19,366 Thx-looking at these numbers and the hype the truck is getting I would bet 150,000 would be a safe bet-and on low side at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 On 12/5/2018 at 3:33 PM, Kev-Mo said: My point is: Why can Jeep make as much as they can sell, but all these Ford models that customers might actually want are 'capacity constrained'? Jeep Wrangle responded to 30+% increase in sales without even a hiccup! Seems like you can get any configuration in any color you want as long as you can pay for it... Because people buying Heeps don't give a flip if it's a pile of junk or not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 59 minutes ago, SoonerLS said: Because people buying Heeps don't give a flip if it's a pile of junk or not... And wouldn't it be great to have a vehicle in the Ford portfolio that invoked emotional buying habits like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, Kev-Mo said: And wouldn't it be great to have a vehicle in the Ford portfolio that invoked emotional buying habits like that. I would be embarrassed as hell to build something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 29 minutes ago, Kev-Mo said: And wouldn't it be great to have a vehicle in the Ford portfolio that invoked emotional buying habits like that. Mustang/F-series? Except they aren't junk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 46 minutes ago, Kev-Mo said: And wouldn't it be great to have a vehicle in the Ford portfolio that invoked emotional buying habits like that. its coming in the guise of the bronco....but I would lay $$$$ on it improving substantially on the jeep as far as QC, drivability/ livability and dependability than Jeep..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: I would be embarrassed as hell to build something like that. Yeah, wouldn't it be nice to have a vehicle that is increasing in sales 25-30%, is actually built well, you can supply it to your customers, and it is available in an array of color other than 3 shades of silver, black or white. Now if FCA can just figure out how to build them well they have the grand slam. Not much incentive though -when they fly off the shelves just at they are. Edited December 7, 2018 by Kev-Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 What are Blue Oval Forums thoughts on whether the introduction of new Ranger will allow Ford trucks to outsell GM trucks in 2019 (U.S. market)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Just now, rperez817 said: What are Blue Oval Forums thoughts on whether the introduction of new Ranger will allow Ford trucks to outsell GM trucks in 2019 (U.S. market)? You will, of course, let us all know when GM trucks are produced...right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 1 minute ago, rperez817 said: What are Blue Oval Forums thoughts on whether the introduction of new Ranger will allow Ford trucks to outsell GM trucks in 2019 (U.S. market)? Easy yes. Aren't they within 35K or something like that without Ranger - and that's combining 4 trucks to get that figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 17 hours ago, jasonj80 said: That is Expensive! I just remember in High School everyone had the $59/month 0 down Ranger lease back in 1998. I bought my first Ranger back in 1990 for $7995. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 23 minutes ago, rmc523 said: Easy yes. Aren't they within 35K or something like that without Ranger - and that's combining 4 trucks to get that figure. Thank you rmc523 sir. For pickup trucks at the end of 3Q 2018, GM was ahead by 27,738 units sold. I agree that if the current sales rates continue in 2019, Ford will finally outsell GM. Big question is whether new 2019 Silverado and Sierra sales will increase a lot as production of all versions of those trucks ramp up in 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 29 minutes ago, twintornados said: You will, of course, let us all know when GM trucks are produced...right? Sure thing twintornados sir. When the 2018 year-end sales results for both GM and Ford come out, I'll report the pickup truck sales numbers on this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, rperez817 said: Sure thing twintornados sir. When the 2018 year-end sales results for both GM and Ford come out, I'll report the pickup truck sales numbers on this thread. Once again, you are just too dang easy to bait... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 22 hours ago, ford-boy said: Tacoma then, is by far the sales leader. Maybe 200,000 per year. I'm hoping the Ranger steals some of the Tacoma thunder and challenges for sales leadership. The Chevy Colorado/Canyon is far and away a better overall truck than Tacoma - and they can't mount a sales leadership challenge against Toyota- why do Ford guys (like me) think that the Ranger will? Ranger will sell, and may be a better fleet option - but it won't displace Tacoma, especially in retail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, Kev-Mo said: The Chevy Colorado/Canyon is far and away a better overall truck than Tacoma - and they can't mount a sales leadership challenge against Toyota- why do Ford guys (like me) think that the Ranger will? Ranger will sell, and may be a better fleet option - but it won't displace Tacoma, especially in retail. I believe it will eventually be a solid number 2, it just might not happen until MY2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 48 minutes ago, Deanh said: its coming in the guise of the bronco....but I would lay $$$$ on it improving substantially on the jeep as far as QC, drivability/ livability and dependability than Jeep..... A year or more away from Production and two or more years away from having a bunch on the lot in cool colors and various equipment levels that you can actually sell - in this hyper changing, instant gratification world, who knows what will be the 'gotta have' vehicle by then. I'll take one though, and I am patient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, Kev-Mo said: The Chevy Colorado/Canyon is far and away a better overall truck than Tacoma - and they can't mount a sales leadership challenge against Toyota- why do Ford guys (like me) think that the Ranger will? Ranger will sell, and may be a better fleet option - but it won't displace Tacoma, especially in retail. In the grand scheme of things, why worry about outselling the Taco if you can sell nicely equipped Rangers for a decent profit. Toyota would kill to sell full sized trucks in the way Ford does, but is that going to happen-most likely not. I see the Ranger at least eventually being the number 2 nameplate in sales in mid-size truck catagory in the next 24-36 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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