akirby Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, HotRunrGuy said: Agreed, I was just clarifying when the 6-month clock started for him. He never exaggerated the timeframe. Of course, now that he's 3+ months after build, it IS getting a bit ridiculous. HRG I have a pet peeve about misinformation. A prospective Aviator purchaser might see that and think that if they order an Aviator today it might take 6 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlematty Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Was hoping someone by now would have gotten their Aviator. That being said a new vehicle platform does take time to work out the issues so delays should be expected, but quality shouldn’t be ignored as it seems to still be an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msm859 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Littlematty said: Was hoping someone by now would have gotten their Aviator. That being said a new vehicle platform does take time to work out the issues so delays should be expected, but quality shouldn’t be ignored as it seems to still be an issue. I guess that is the silver lining of not being too anxious. I am going to wait until the GT is out and real world reviews along with an actual test drive before I consider buying. Went to the LA auto show last year to see the official introduction - it is taking a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustangchief Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 10 hours ago, Littlematty said: Was hoping someone by now would have gotten their Aviator. That being said a new vehicle platform does take time to work out the issues so delays should be expected, but quality shouldn’t be ignored as it seems to still be an issue. There are some out there, we have a silver one in town, and a white one was sold to ? We are a tiny market. You probably will only see 1 in every 1000 Lincoln buyers participating here. Many view but don't say anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellanca Posted September 13, 2019 Author Share Posted September 13, 2019 This shouldn’t have left the factory. They should be embarrassed. I could very easily go pick up a Velar but I have my heart set on the Aviator. However when the day comes to pick it up if the panels aren’t matching there is no way in hell that I’m going to buy it. That would be absurd. I’ll gladly take it while they build me a new one though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willwll313wll Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2019/09/13/ford-2020-explorer-lincoln-aviator-delivery/2292795001/ Quote Dealers in different parts of the country confirm they’ve been notified of delays because of “manufacturing issues,” leading one dealership to say the team has had to “pacify” frustrated customers who have spent significant dollars on preorders. No one from corporate is providing details, said a Ford source outside Michigan, who asked that he not be identified because it would anger folks in Dearborn. “We usually learn stuff from the news media.” Some of the vehicles already have been recalled, including from dealer lots. 'They're not telling us' The waiting continues for dealers around the United States. “We’ve been experiencing this for some time," said Jim Seavitt, president and owner of Village Ford in Dearborn. "We got 10 in last week and have 18 in all. We should have far more.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheeling Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Looks like pretty bad situation. Quality is key and could really kill the Aviator. After all, it is a luxury vehicle and people expect high quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcoBoost Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Yup, if you THINK you can already charge more than the European competition right off the bat, you don't want to start with recalls and delivery delays because that shows you're not quite there yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willwll313wll Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Is it just me or has Ford and Lincoln had product launch issues for half a decade now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Willwll313wll said: Is it just me or has Ford and Lincoln had product launch issues for half a decade now? Seems to have started with the 2013 Fusion/MKZ. They also had to ship those to Flat Rock to replace headlamps. I think this is just trying to do things too quickly with not enough trained folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 On 9/12/2019 at 11:02 AM, akirby said: I have a pet peeve about misinformation. A prospective Aviator purchaser might see that and think that if they order an Aviator today it might take 6 months. You never know sir, it just might,,,,,, https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2019/09/13/ford-2020-explorer-lincoln-aviator-delivery/2292795001/ HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, HotRunrGuy said: You never know sir, it just might,,,,,, https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2019/09/13/ford-2020-explorer-lincoln-aviator-delivery/2292795001/ HRG Unfortunately true, but that's a different (and much worse) problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolScoop Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 I don't recall the F150, Super Duty and Expedition/Navigator launches going this poorly and they all switched to aluminum bodies with complicated riveted/glued assembly and additional paint prep requirements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolScoop Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, HotRunrGuy said: You never know sir, it just might,,,,,, https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2019/09/13/ford-2020-explorer-lincoln-aviator-delivery/2292795001/ I know there were problems with those produced before OK TO BUY, but haven't they been worked out by now... or are flawed units still rolling of the line to the repair lots? Are retail orders being shipped or have they canceled the OKTB due to ongoing problems? Edited September 13, 2019 by CoolScoop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheeling Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 I'd rather Ford slow down, work out all the problems, and then deliver flawless vehicles to customers, than to rush the process and deliver the SUVs with a lot of problems. That will really hurt Ford in the long run. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dequindre Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Has Ford EVER had a problem-free launch? Problematic launches are to be expected from Ford now, and that's not a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msm859 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 3 hours ago, HotRunrGuy said: You never know sir, it just might,,,,,, https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2019/09/13/ford-2020-explorer-lincoln-aviator-delivery/2292795001/ HRG Well if some of the workers want to make a lot of money they are offering 12 hours shifts 7 days / week. With overtime that should be @ triple their normal salary! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnsmoke Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 4 hours ago, CoolScoop said: I know there were problems with those produced before OK TO BUY, but haven't they been worked out by now... or are flawed units still rolling of the line to the repair lots? Are retail orders being shipped or have they canceled the OKTB due to ongoing problems? O2B was give. Mid June.. there are a ton of orders through end of June that were retail orders still sitting as "in productuon"... yes, over 2 months this way. Just go look at the Ford tracking forum. The worst part of it all is Ford isnt saying a damn word to anyone.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustangchief Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Might be why David Woodhouse left after creating a master piece. Management wanted it pushed through despite issues with the new equipment and staff to build it. He knew it was going to be ganked up and did not want to be part of it. They will get it right, just might take a minute. If the CAP production coach is reading this forum, remember slow is steady, steady is fast, ask Jamie over at KC about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Come on Hackett - fix this crap already. You nailed the product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ididntdoit Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 shinny new contract will magically make morale increase as well as the quality. All these negative headlines beating us down effecting our work flow, extending deadlines just makes it worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 If you can’t produce quality products under your current contract maybe you don’t deserve a new contract. Just sayin’......... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ididntdoit Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 1 hour ago, akirby said: If you can’t produce quality products under your current contract maybe you don’t deserve a new contract. Just sayin’......... I totally agree, the plant doesn't deserve it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying68 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Well as much as I wanted an Aviator, I found a Platinum Expedition fully loaded for 6415 off MSRP plus an additional 6500 in rebates (2250 rcc, 1250 fmc cash, 3000 pco on Expedition only). Financially couldn't pass that up. It isn't as sexy as the Aviator GT that I was lusting after, but all the delays and low inventory leading to high asking prices made the decision easier. Maybe in a few when we replace our MkC things will be settled down, of course by then we may go BEV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolScoop Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Flying68 said: Well as much as I wanted an Aviator, I found a Platinum Expedition fully loaded for 6415 off MSRP plus an additional 6500 in rebates (2250 rcc, 1250 fmc cash, 3000 pco on Expedition only). Financially couldn't pass that up. It isn't as sexy as the Aviator GT that I was lusting after, but all the delays and low inventory leading to high asking prices made the decision easier. Maybe in a few when we replace our MkC things will be settled down, of course by then we may go BEV. Congrats... Expeditions are awesome and you won't regret it. We put 160K trouble free miles on our '98 1st Gen and traded it for our current 2nd Gen. Great vacation vehicle for long road trips!! I got the 3K Expy only personel cash offer also and thought hard about getting a 3rd Gen instead of ordering an Aviator, but couldn't locate a '19 equipped like we wanted. Edited September 15, 2019 by CoolScoop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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