rperez817 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 2 hours ago, silvrsvt said: Funny thing is that whole time I've seen you post "insider" information, its been nothing but negativity It's Ford. That is to be expected, the corporate culture there makes it a hostile place to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 20 minutes ago, rperez817 said: It's Ford. That is to be expected, the corporate culture there makes it a hostile place to work. most corporate culture sucks....I mean you have the silicon valley culture but even then.....you are rarely off and unreachable. The exception is when you get into upper management and pretty much can do anything you want and are above reproach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 $6.98...hindrichs i am sure is glad to be out of it..cnbc article on ford is worth 5minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 At this rate, I wish the Ford Family could just find the money to take the company private. Wall Street is made of teenage-girl like clicks that only accept one type of mindset - short term profit over long term sustainability. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 21 hours ago, jcartwright99 said: The exception is when you get into upper management and pretty much can do anything you want and are above reproach. You mean like Fields and Hinrichs? I'm just kidding...I knew what you meant, but in reality, upper management is likely (almost) never unreachable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 4 hours ago, fordmantpw said: You mean like Fields and Hinrichs? I'm just kidding...I knew what you meant, but in reality, upper management is likely (almost) never unreachable. Tell that to Raj Nair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 On 2/27/2020 at 11:16 AM, silvrsvt said: So the Bronco (or even other products) are that dependent on Chinese parts?! I am certain that every single product that Ford manufactures is dependent upon SOME part from China ! The day I spoke with my "friend of a friend", he happened to put his hand in his pocket and pull out a couple of plastic clips. He said, "These used to be mad in Wuhan. It took about 5 weeks to get new dies made and line up a different supplier. These are the first production samples." He also said, "Many of the factories will be starting up soon, but they are 4-6 weeks behind on deliveries." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) On 2/27/2020 at 11:24 AM, akirby said: I assume most of his insider friends are on the older end of the spectrum. In my experience older workers are less receptive to change and more worried about layoffs if they're not quite retirement ready. You'd probably get a slightly different view from younger/newer hires. The first person I referenced is set to retire around the end of the year. They already talked to him about a possible promotion (which would likely make him an LL3) and he said, "Not interested." He is in a very critical job, and does it very well. Sadly, that has meant them "piling on" more and more responsibility. He was quite happy when Ford decided to cut back in India. One less sub-continent to visit ! I do know someone at the opposite end of the "spectrum". Hired into engineering about 2 years ago with a Master in Mechanical Engineering. This kids has shown flashes of BRILLIANCE in some of his summer intern assignments (not at Ford) but, classic Ford, they have him stuck "in a corner" doing fairly menial work. He will likely languish there because of the old adage "Be careful what you get good at. You may be there for a LONG time !" (One of his jobs is to collect parts/pieces of vehicles that have come off AFTER they have been crashed and catalog them and write reports.) Edited March 2, 2020 by theoldwizard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 On 2/27/2020 at 1:34 PM, rperez817 said: It's Ford. That is to be expected, the corporate culture there makes it a hostile place to work. Proof/link(s)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 On 2/27/2020 at 12:26 PM, rmc523 said: I think he's implying they're diverting resources from Bronco launch to other things (non Bronco related) to offset Chinese parts shortages. His statement was, "We need to make new tooling and find new supplier to keep production going on existing vehicle, but have been told to not let anything slip !" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, theoldwizard said: I am certain that every single product that Ford manufactures is dependent upon SOME part from China ! The day I spoke with my "friend of a friend", he happened to put his hand in his pocket and pull out a couple of plastic clips. He said, "These used to be mad in Wuhan. It took about 5 weeks to get new dies made and line up a different supplier. These are the first production samples." He also said, "Many of the factories will be starting up soon, but they are 4-6 weeks behind on deliveries." That whole situation makes me wonder if the world in general will think twice about relying on one place (Specifically China) as it's sole source of production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 19 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: That whole situation makes me wonder if the world in general will think twice about relying on one place (Specifically China) as it's sole source of production. Honestly it's no different than relying on one factory here in NA and having that factory burn down (happened recently - steering wheels?). The key is having a backup plan that can be implemented quickly (4-5 weeks is pretty quick). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 22 minutes ago, akirby said: Honestly it's no different than relying on one factory here in NA and having that factory burn down (happened recently - steering wheels?). The key is having a backup plan that can be implemented quickly (4-5 weeks is pretty quick). IP-cross beams for F-series. The steering wheel thing was that big strike down in Mexico. How good can a backup plan be if you need to have a backup plan for thousands of parts? Seems like having facilities in other parts of the world beyond just China is a wise move, one it seems not a lot of companies have thought through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Proof/link(s)? theoldwizard has plenty of proof in the examples he shared. Also this link. https://blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?/forum/11-ford-employee-forum/ Edited March 2, 2020 by rperez817 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 2 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: How good can a backup plan be if you need to have a backup plan for thousands of parts? Seems like having facilities in other parts of the world beyond just China is a wise move, one it seems not a lot of companies have thought through. Cost vs benefit analysis. if the chance of losing a supplier in China due to virus for a period of time only happens once every 20-40 years, the risk is low. Just like having multiple plants building the same thing, just in case but is dreadfully expensive. There are other things that are going on in China that are going to make alot of companies rethink being almost completely dependent on them going forward. See investment in Mexico going up in the next couple years and other low cost countries as hedge to China. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) 44 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: Cost vs benefit analysis. if the chance of losing a supplier in China due to virus for a period of time only happens once every 20-40 years, the risk is low. Just like having multiple plants building the same thing, just in case but is dreadfully expensive. There are other things that are going on in China that are going to make alot of companies rethink being almost completely dependent on them going forward. See investment in Mexico going up in the next couple years and other low cost countries as hedge to China. There are some important lessons being learned or is that relearned,........ Edited March 2, 2020 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordowner Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Shortages of Parts may well be the least of our worries. 6 dead now in the United States from Coronavirus and we still don't have proper or enough screening tests out their even though the China does. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/united-states-badly-bungled-coronavirus-testing-things-may-soon-improve . I'm sure cuts in the CDC didn't help. It scares me that we have incompetent yes men running things. If this gets any kind of foothold in the U.S. Ford may not need cars to sell because foot traffic may well dramatically dry up - though I imagine it is retail chains that will suffer the most. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 The mortality rate is around ten times that of the flu, so the prez saying 69k-114k people each year die of the flu is not encouraging. strangely, kids under 9 seem least affected... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 5 hours ago, jpd80 said: The mortality rate is around ten times that of the flu, so the prez saying 69k-114k people each year die of the flu is not encouraging. strangely, kids under 9 seem least affected... However, that is in China with higher density, much higher poverty rate, etc. Spring is also starting here in parts of the southern US, which will help as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sho94_2000 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 7 hours ago, Fordowner said: If this gets any kind of foothold in the U.S. Ford may not need cars to sell because foot traffic may well dramatically dry up - though I imagine it is retail chains that will suffer the most. This is absolutely ridiculous. This virus is not nearly as bad as the media is (almost criminally) making it out to be. Ford foot traffic doesn’t dry up when the flu or the common cold comes around. People need to calm tf down. This is not a big deal. It’s cold symptoms. R-e-l-a-x. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/28/i-have-coronavirus-so-far-it-isnt-that-bad/ “I also watch the news. It’s surreal to see everyone panic — news conferences, the stock market falling, school closures — about a disease I have. It does seem likely that coronavirus will spread in the United States, but it won’t help anybody if we all panic.” 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 At this point your more likely to die of the regular flu then you are of the Coronaviris. The only good thing is that this will open up eyes to how fragile supply chains can be...but it also doesn't help idiots stock up on everything like it won't be around three months from now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 3 hours ago, silvrsvt said: At this point your more likely to die of the regular flu then you are of the Coronaviris. The only good thing is that this will open up eyes to how fragile supply chains can be...but it also doesn't help idiots stock up on everything like it won't be around three months from now. That was the point I was (poorly) trying to make yesterday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Thanks to social media and idiots who don't know the difference between real news and fake news, overreaction is now the norm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 29 minutes ago, akirby said: Thanks to social media and idiots who don't know the difference between real news and fake news, overreaction is now the norm. And the fact that doom and gloom/shocking "news" is what gets eyeballs/ratings, that's what they'll report. Which story do you think gets more attention/ratings/money? The one that tells just the facts/story, or the one that embellishes and tells you your whole family will die tomorrow if you don't tune in to their interview? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordowner Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, rmc523 said: And the fact that doom and gloom/shocking "news" is what gets eyeballs/ratings, that's what they'll report. Which story do you think gets more attention/ratings/money? The one that tells just the facts/story, or the one that embellishes and tells you your whole family will die tomorrow if you don't tune in to their interview? True the news over sensationalizes things like this, but heck that is nothing new. On the other hand - its irresponsible to write this all off. This is potentially far more dangerous than the flu - for one thing we don't yet have a vaccine for it. And just getting the testing or screening out there has not been handled well. I saw a story last night that South Korea has set up drive through testing facilities. Bottom line, yes even if it spreads the Walking Dead is not about to become real - but as I said - IF THIS gets a foothold in the U.S. it will be more dangerous than the flu. That is why most countries (apparently not Cambodia) are being so aggressive to contain this new virus strain. If we do that it will NOT get a Foothold in the U.S. and it will just be a lesson learned for supply chains. It is nice to see the Governor of Georgia taking this seriously. It does appear that many specialists in this area do think we are past the point of containment in part because it is not as deadly as the past events like the Avian Flu. So a vaccine is the long term answer. As one article stated the " “cold and flu season” could become “cold and flu and COVID-19 season.” https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/ Edited March 3, 2020 by Fordowner bad typing and wording Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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