blwnsmoke Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 https://www.yahoo.com/autos/gm-ford-fca-agree-shut-181000375.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Its those atp's... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02MustangGT Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 The only obvious decision. Automobile manufacturing is not essential industry and other non-essential industries should follow the same protocol. Be prepared for an extended shut down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 They'll keep us closed for the bare minimum amount of time they can so I expect to be back at work on March 30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 BTW Musk is fighting not to shut down Fremont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, jcartwright99 said: BTW Musk is fighting not to shut down Fremont. Of course he is, he thinks he's above the law 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 19 minutes ago, jcartwright99 said: BTW Musk is fighting not to shut down Fremont. He fought a good fight, but lost. Alameda County officials forced shutdown of production lines at Tesla's Fremont plant earlier today. Maintenance, payroll, and other "basic functions" that are non-production are still allowed. https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/17/coronavirus-elon-musk-says-its-totally-ok-for-tesla-employees-to-work-from-home/?utm_source=webpush Other automaker actions in North America. Honda, production suspended at all North American plants March 23-31. https://hondanews.com/en-US/honda-corporate/releases/release-a16368f082a336a1dd1dc972d0002606-statement-by-honda-regarding-production-adjustments-to-north-american-auto-plants Toyota, production suspended at all North American plants March 23-24. https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-is-temporarily-suspending-production-at-all-of-its-automobile-and-components-plants-in-north-america-including-canada-mexico-and-the-u-s/ Hyundai, production suspended at HMMA starting today. 1 HMMA worker tested positive for Covid-19, Alabama DPH has been notified. https://www.hyundainews.com/en-us/releases/3002 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02MustangGT Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: They'll keep us closed for the bare minimum amount of time they can so I expect to be back at work on March 30 I hope you are correct for the sake of employees and those affected (if virus spread has decreased to a sustainable level)... But I wouldn’t count on it. Edited March 18, 2020 by 02MustangGT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paintguy Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 In short term, new car sales will fall. Who is buying if you are not working? Don't know inventory, but even with same number of units, days of inventory will increase. Second factor is parts from China. Normal shipping time, about 4 weeks by sea. There could be several bubbles in supply pipeline. Can avoid with overtime in China and airfreight. That is costly. If demand is low, why spend? I'm sure some will be down longer than others. Let's hope everybody can keep safe, and will qualify for unemployment and SUB pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, rperez817 said: He fought a good fight, but lost. Good fight? You act like what he was doing was honorable. The entire industry is shutting down and yet Elon thinks he can still make Teslas just because he’s Elon. Pathetic really. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, mackinaw said: Good fight? You act like what he was doing was honorable. The entire industry is shutting down and yet Elon thinks he can still make Teslas just because he’s Elon. Pathetic really. Pathetic, stupid and selfish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, 02MustangGT said: I hope you are correct for the sake of employees and those affected (if virus spread has decreased to a sustainable level)... But I wouldn’t count on it. As hard as they fought to keep us open I would be shocked if they extended it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02MustangGT Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: As hard as they fought to keep us open I would be shocked if they extended it Yeah my point was that Ford (among others) may not have control over those decisions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jose Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 if the whole country doesent shut down except for essentials whats the point in just some individual business? I see the speedway by my plant just hopping with business. I personally dont have a problem working,but understand others concerns. so either everyone or its gonna be ground hog day for the next 2 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, jose said: if the whole country doesent shut down except for essentials whats the point in just some individual business? I see the speedway by my plant just hopping with business. I personally dont have a problem working,but understand others concerns. so either everyone or its gonna be ground hog day for the next 2 months. Normally I wouldn't either since I'm only 30 and I'm pretty good health but I have a pregnant wife to think about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 We are in a recession now. Technically nobody is saying it but we are. In a year, people will be saying it started at the end of 2019. Corona virus has accelerated everything as well as oil crashing. It sounds terrible but we need the whole country on lockdown for 3-4 weeks, maybe more. Just essentially services and food related. I don’t want to but it will lessen the deaths. By the end of this most of us will know someone who died. Not trying to negative but more of a realist here. I pray I’m wrong but everything is pointing to this. Stay safe folks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2016RS Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 3 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: They'll keep us closed for the bare minimum amount of time they can so I expect to be back at work on March 30 Exactly...…. Some of the Managers in my Department who are working from home don't even leave their offices all day and go on the floor. PERIOD.... They self quarantine at work.... So why should they be able to work from home..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 4 hours ago, mackinaw said: Good fight? You act like what he was doing was honorable. The entire industry is shutting down and yet Elon thinks he can still make Teslas just because he’s Elon. Pathetic really. Or you know, so his employees can keep working and get paid. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 More shutdowns. Nissan, all production suspended at U.S. manufacturing facilities March 20 - April 6. https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releases/nissan-suspends-us-production-to-protect-workforce-as-covid-19-coronavirus-expands Daimler MBUSI plant production lines still running as of March 18, but likely to suspend production soon due to parts shortage. https://alabamanewscenter.com/2020/03/18/mercedes-alabama-plant-likely-to-be-shut-down-due-to-parts-shortage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnsmoke Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, jcartwright99 said: We are in a recession now. Technically nobody is saying it but we are. In a year, people will be saying it started at the end of 2019. Corona virus has accelerated everything as well as oil crashing. It sounds terrible but we need the whole country on lockdown for 3-4 weeks, maybe more. Just essentially services and food related. I don’t want to but it will lessen the deaths. By the end of this most of us will know someone who died. Not trying to negative but more of a realist here. I pray I’m wrong but everything is pointing to this. Stay safe folks! Absolutely right. My kids are home for 3 weeks now for remote learning. Frankly, they are not going back to school this year. If we don't all shut down together for a month, it will be the same (worse) 3 weeks from now then today which means, there won't be school. No point in shutting down some and not all. San Francisco is under quarantine yet people were out running/jogging/walking.. on their scooters. How enraging!! People are not taking it seriously. I don't even want stimulus money.. how about all credit cards, mortgages, loan payments be suspended for 3 months, tack it on to the back of the loan and close us down. No bills due, no income is much easier to get us through, especially with unemployment (temporary). Anyways, I side tracked this enough. As you said, be safe all. Edited March 19, 2020 by blwnsmoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 9 hours ago, probowler said: Or you know, so his employees can keep working and get paid. So pay them to stay home. Extra 2 week paid vacation. Problem solved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 16 hours ago, 02MustangGT said: The only obvious decision. Automobile manufacturing is not essential industry and other non-essential industries should follow the same protocol. Be prepared for an extended shut down. Forgetting the virus for a minute, the automobile industry IS essential for the economy! That's why I get a kick out of mass transit propaganda. How much of a percentage of motorists do they want to use mass transit?! When you start approaching 50 percent, the auto industry and the economy is gone!! That means a lot of the new parts and tire supply chain, including manufacturing; warehousing; shipping etc. is needed less. Now figure in down the road (pun intended) aftermarket and even used parts are needed less. Less workers needed. Figure in less road/pavement and bridge wear and tear and you don't need a lot of material suppliers like asphalt, concrete and steel and the workers making it, plus the construction workers assembling it! Less accidents (admittedly a good thing) means less need for tow truck drivers, first responders, doctors, nurses. Speaking of first responders, these auto companies -- especially Ford -- provide ambulance, police and fire rescue/light fast attack pumper vehicles. On another note, the autonomous vehicles industry wants to take a million tractor trailer drivers off the road! What do you want them to do? Oh maybe we could re-train them to be doctors to fight the next virus! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnsmoke Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, Joe771476 said: Forgetting the virus for a minute, the automobile industry IS essential for the economy! That's why I get a kick out of mass transit propaganda. How much of a percentage of motorists do they want to use mass transit?! When you start approaching 50 percent, the auto industry and the economy is gone!! That means a lot of the new parts and tire supply chain, including manufacturing; warehousing; shipping etc. is needed less. Now figure in down the road (pun intended) aftermarket and even used parts are needed less. Less workers needed. Figure in less road/pavement and bridge wear and tear and you don't need a lot of material suppliers like asphalt, concrete and steel and the workers making it, plus the construction workers assembling it! Less accidents (admittedly a good thing) means less need for tow truck drivers, first responders, doctors, nurses. Speaking of first responders, these auto companies -- especially Ford -- provide ambulance, police and fire rescue/light fast attack pumper vehicles. On another note, the autonomous vehicles industry wants to take a million tractor trailer drivers off the road! What do you want them to do? Oh maybe we could re-train them to be doctors to fight the next virus! I disagree. How many vehicles are on lots? There is plenty for people to buy if they need one. And how many people are buying $50,000 vehicles right now? How many banks are loaning money? How many people are committing to $500-$1,000 a month. My guess is very little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Bank loans no issue...only positive is gm could shut down forever and rid society of the crap they build..no cares given Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 2 hours ago, blwnsmoke said: Absolutely right. My kids are home for 3 weeks now for remote learning. Frankly, they are not going back to school this year. If we don't all shut down together for a month, it will be the same (worse) 3 weeks from now then today which means, there won't be school. No point in shutting down some and not all. San Francisco is under quarantine yet people were out running/jogging/walking.. on their scooters. How enraging!! People are not taking it seriously. I don't even want stimulus money.. how about all credit cards, mortgages, loan payments be suspended for 3 months, tack it on to the back of the loan and close us down. No bills due, no income is much easier to get us through, especially with unemployment (temporary). Anyways, I side tracked this enough. As you said, be safe all. Great idea… So all of us that work for banks will be out of work, too. Millions work for banks, and most are ordinary folks like you. Those people who can make payments should continue to do so. We will work with those can't; we always do, for people who have through natural disasters, government shutdowns, and other things beyond their control. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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