FordBuyer Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 On 12/4/2020 at 9:03 PM, akirby said: Badlands with the 2.0 and bigger wheels and tires and off-road suspension is very premium. There is a nice review of the Badlands model on You Tube...Rockwell Ford somewhere in TX. A sharp light bluish color with a black top and carbonish alloy wheels. Looked real good. Also had the aggressive off roading tires and skid plates. Of course it had the 2.0 engine and moved out smartly. Nice vehicle and IMO the sweet spot for this brand. This vehicle will actually go off road and enjoy doing it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 7 hours ago, akirby said: Most lower end buyers won’t know or care about the engine. Those that do probably want the badlands model anyway. I’m sure they’ll offer the 2.0 on mid trims in a year or two. Absolutely, covered it perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 The 2.0 Escape must be the hotter seller, at least around here. Most the Escape's left on the lot around me (like 90%) are the 1.5L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captainp4 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Considering the sport for my gf's next vehicle, curious to test drive and find out about the 1.5. I've always opted for the largest engine in everything I've bought, but I doubt it'll make much difference to her as long as it gets her to work and isn't a vibrating buzzing nightmare like some are claiming. I would probably opt for the 2.0 in a lower trim level, but I'm not spending, what, 35-40k? to get into a badlands on something that is essentially a tough looking escape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 On 12/6/2020 at 6:12 PM, Captainp4 said: Considering the sport for my gf's next vehicle, curious to test drive and find out about the 1.5. I've always opted for the largest engine in everything I've bought, but I doubt it'll make much difference to her as long as it gets her to work and isn't a vibrating buzzing nightmare like some are claiming. I would probably opt for the 2.0 in a lower trim level, but I'm not spending, what, 35-40k? to get into a badlands on something that is essentially a tough looking escape. Yeah, don’t believe everything you here about the 1.5. Test it out for yourself and you will see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 On 12/6/2020 at 3:12 PM, Captainp4 said: Considering the sport for my gf's next vehicle Don't do it! Two things in life are guaranteed to eventually die: your car, and your relationships. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captainp4 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 54 minutes ago, probowler said: Don't do it! Two things in life are guaranteed to eventually die: your car, and your relationships. been like 14 years. you could say things are getting pretty serious ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 On 12/6/2020 at 6:42 PM, ausrutherford said: The 2.0 Escape must be the hotter seller, at least around here. Most the Escape's left on the lot around me (like 90%) are the 1.5L. Yes, I've noticed that the 2.0 is hard to find at dealerships. Looks like you have to order one unless it's a mega dealer like Mullinax or Bill Brown. Most of the inventory is SE and Titanium hybrid. I would imagine most small to medium dealers think everyone either wants the 1.5 or the hybrid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 10 hours ago, tbone said: Yeah, don’t believe everything you here about the 1.5. Test it out for yourself and you will see. What bothers me most about little engines like the 1.5 is turbo failure at around 60,000 miles or so. They need the turbo to produce adequate power and so many customers experience turbo failure after a few years. Not a cheap fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 17 minutes ago, FordBuyer said: Yes, I've noticed that the 2.0 is hard to find at dealerships. Looks like you have to order one unless it's a mega dealer like Mullinax or Bill Brown. Most of the inventory is SE and Titanium hybrid. I would imagine most small to medium dealers think everyone either wants the 1.5 or the hybrid. Ford pushes the Titanium (Gas & Hybrid) models on dealerships and up until a few months ago it was very difficult to get the SE Hybrids 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Escape SEs are selling for $8K off MSRP in my area $29k -> $21K. They’re selling on price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 46 minutes ago, ice-capades said: Ford pushes the Titanium (Gas & Hybrid) models on dealerships and up until a few months ago it was very difficult to get the SE Hybrids Not gonna lie, despite my dismay for its looks a Hybrid Ti sounds appealing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 hour ago, FordBuyer said: What bothers me most about little engines like the 1.5 is turbo failure at around 60,000 miles or so. They need the turbo to produce adequate power and so many customers experience turbo failure after a few years. Not a cheap fix. Citation please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, silvrsvt said: Citation please 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnostic Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 hour ago, FordBuyer said: What bothers me most about little engines like the 1.5 is turbo failure at around 60,000 miles or so. They need the turbo to produce adequate power and so many customers experience turbo failure after a few years. Not a cheap fix. Yeah, I mean I had an 89 probe gt, 2.2 l turbo. only had 160k mile when I traded it. original turbo. They must have gotten worse since then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgeh Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 hour ago, FordBuyer said: What bothers me most about little engines like the 1.5 is turbo failure at around 60,000 miles or so. They need the turbo to produce adequate power and so many customers experience turbo failure after a few years. Not a cheap fix. Turbo failure and turbo lag problems are pretty much relics of the past. See: ----------------- "I have had a rash of people call the Car Pro Show the past two weeks from people worrying about turbochargers. I think it probably goes back 30 years or so when turbos were not nearly as reliable as they are today. At that time, to keep from having problems, you were supposed to let a turbocharged vehicle idle for 60 seconds while the turbo cooled down. Most people did not adhere to this advice by turning the car off immediately when they got to their destination... "So how reliable are the newer engines with turbochargers? As someone who talks to a lot of consumers, they seem to be doing extremely well. General Motors reports their instances of turbo failure are very low based on warranty claims. Ford had an early issue with the Ecoboost due to moisture, but that was quickly solved and today I talk to people who are past 300,000 miles on their F-150 Ecoboost engines with no problems at all. Diesel engines have used turbos for years, including the 18-wheelers you see running down the road. "The technology and long-term durability of turbos has improved greatly. Even 5-years or so ago, turbo lag (a slight hesitation when accelerating) was a problem and in some cars I reviewed, it was almost dangerous. Today, you notice very little turbo lag." https://www.carprousa.com/Why-You-Shouldnt-Fear-the-Turbocharged-Engine/a/55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 29 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Not gonna lie, despite my dismay for its looks a Hybrid Ti sounds appealing No question that the Titanium Hybrid is a nice vehicle but the SE Hybrid's price point is where the volume is, if and when Dealers can get them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, ice-capades said: No question that the Titanium Hybrid is a nice vehicle but the SE Hybrid's price point is where the volume is, if and when Dealers can get them. I was pricing out SE hybrids last night. There's a few things I would like not offered on SE but honestly I'm not sure it would be a dealbreaker with the deals that are out there right now. I'm very curious about the PHEV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 48 minutes ago, Gnostic said: Yeah, I mean I had an 89 probe gt, 2.2 l turbo. only had 160k mile when I traded it. original turbo. They must have gotten worse since then I've heard they practically fall off as you drive them off the lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 33 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: I was pricing out SE hybrids last night. There's a few things I would like not offered on SE but honestly I'm not sure it would be a dealbreaker with the deals that are out there right now. I'm very curious about the PHEV. If you decide on a Sport hybrid, make sure you get the premium package option. Well worth it as it looks so much better with the premium wheels and panoramic sunroof. I got this package on my Escape hybrid and love it. Basically looks like the Titanium minus a few options. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 46 minutes ago, Gurgeh said: Turbo failure and turbo lag problems are pretty much relics of the past. See: ----------------- "I have had a rash of people call the Car Pro Show the past two weeks from people worrying about turbochargers. I think it probably goes back 30 years or so when turbos were not nearly as reliable as they are today. At that time, to keep from having problems, you were supposed to let a turbocharged vehicle idle for 60 seconds while the turbo cooled down. Most people did not adhere to this advice by turning the car off immediately when they got to their destination... "So how reliable are the newer engines with turbochargers? As someone who talks to a lot of consumers, they seem to be doing extremely well. General Motors reports their instances of turbo failure are very low based on warranty claims. Ford had an early issue with the Ecoboost due to moisture, but that was quickly solved and today I talk to people who are past 300,000 miles on their F-150 Ecoboost engines with no problems at all. Diesel engines have used turbos for years, including the 18-wheelers you see running down the road. "The technology and long-term durability of turbos has improved greatly. Even 5-years or so ago, turbo lag (a slight hesitation when accelerating) was a problem and in some cars I reviewed, it was almost dangerous. Today, you notice very little turbo lag." https://www.carprousa.com/Why-You-Shouldnt-Fear-the-Turbocharged-Engine/a/55 There was a report yesterday about oil dilution problems on different ecoboost engines from 2016-19. Sound similar to Honda turbo motor problems. As for turbo problems, more than one mechanic on You Tube has pointed out turbo failure on 4 cylinder EB motors at about 60,000 miles or so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valve Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 17 minutes ago, FordBuyer said: There was a report yesterday about oil dilution problems on different ecoboost engines from 2016-19. Sound similar to Honda turbo motor problems. As for turbo problems, more than one mechanic on You Tube has pointed out turbo failure on 4 cylinder EB motors at about 60,000 miles or so. Scotty Kilmer doesn't count Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, FordBuyer said: If you decide on a Sport hybrid, make sure you get the premium package option. Well worth it as it looks so much better with the premium wheels and panoramic sunroof. I got this package on my Escape hybrid and love it. Basically looks like the Titanium minus a few options. Noted. It's looking less and less likely I I'll be getting a Ranger. It's a long and stupid story involving an infuriating discussion with the warden. Cliffnotes: she thinks it's still 2006 and trucks are terrible on gas, and she doesn't see any reason why we need one. She would rather rent a truck. I'll probably get an Escape and hope I don't hate it. either that or the best condition beater I can find for $500 or less just to spite her. Edited December 8, 2020 by fuzzymoomoo 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 21 minutes ago, FordBuyer said: There was a report yesterday about oil dilution problems on different ecoboost engines from 2016-19. Sound similar to Honda turbo motor problems. As for turbo problems, more than one mechanic on You Tube has pointed out turbo failure on 4 cylinder EB motors at about 60,000 miles or so. More than one? So how many? 3? 4? Out of how many hundreds of thousands of engines sold? The oil dilution problem is a bad block design has nothing to do with the Turbo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: either that or the best condition beater I can find for $500 or less just to spite her. I have a 2012 Focus I can sell you cheap........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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