Oac98 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Guess Borg was right after all and we got hit with this BS this morning. No more speculation can’t say I’m surprised. I’m really pissed off. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseodiaga4 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 We see this coming. It made a lot of sense considering that you didn’t have any news from Ford. I haven’t been here for that long but with the latest news (Nautilus from china, Aviator loosing PHEV, etc.), Borg has been right 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 18 minutes ago, joseodiaga4 said: We see this coming. It made a lot of sense considering that you didn’t have any news from Ford. I haven’t been here for that long but with the latest news (Nautilus from china, Aviator loosing PHEV, etc.), Borg has been right He is right most of the time. Just wait until he’s wrong and watch the toddler throw a hissy fit. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew L Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 I guess I misread a while ago, but I thought the Nautilus Hybrid was supposed to be built in Oakville while the gas model was China but both versions are China 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted April 4 Author Share Posted April 4 29 minutes ago, joseodiaga4 said: We see this coming. It made a lot of sense considering that you didn’t have any news from Ford. I haven’t been here for that long but with the latest news (Nautilus from china, Aviator loosing PHEV, etc.), Borg has been right We sure did see it coming, still frustrating as hell for everyone at the plant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted April 4 Author Share Posted April 4 Just now, Andrew L said: I guess I misread a while ago, but I thought the Nautilus Hybrid was supposed to be built in Oakville while the gas model was China but both versions are China 100%. Yup you misread that bigtime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 I guess this means the model that we've seen covered in the spyshots (the 3 row vehicle) that has gotten woeful feedback in consumer clinics has been consigned to the scrapheap, and Ford is doing a full on redesign/greensheet with lessons being learned from the skunkworks project currently underway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted April 4 Author Share Posted April 4 According to Ford it’s about improving battery tech. I also hope it’s to improve the looks of that what appears to be a giant Prius under the tarp we all seen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 1 hour ago, Harley Lover said: I guess this means the model that we've seen covered in the spyshots (the 3 row vehicle) that has gotten woeful feedback in consumer clinics has been consigned to the scrapheap, and Ford is doing a full on redesign/greensheet with lessons being learned from the skunkworks project currently underway. Nah I wouldn't go that far, maybe a restyling or other improvements. The Skunkworks was about making an more affordable EV that would be around Escape sized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfan Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Incompetence, incompetence, incompetence. Ford and gm got it so wrong. Why are we to believe them about 2027? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseodiaga4 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 44 minutes ago, Oac98 said: According to Ford it’s about improving battery tech. I also hope it’s to improve the looks of that what appears to be a giant Prius under the tarp we all seen. But didn’t they say that the 2nd gen EVs have great battery tech, were profitable, etc., etc.? From what they said on the article it seems the reality is other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 It is possible they decide to bring back Nautilus and design a new C2 edge for Oakville. They could even move Corsair and Escape if they need space in Louisville for the new cheap EVs. They can still use the Canadian batteries for hybrids. I just don’t see the 3 row EVs fitting into Ford’s future plans at this point. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 2 hours ago, Oac98 said: According to Ford it’s about improving battery tech. I also hope it’s to improve the looks of that what appears to be a giant Prius under the tarp we all seen. At this point, they'd be fools to keep the polarizing styling if they just delayed their product by three or more years. Sure, that design might have given buyers another 20 miles of range, but as other posters have said, kia's boxy EV three row has a very low drag coefficient. So you can have a good looking design and areo efficiency all in one. Ford just has to get more creative. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 1 hour ago, Footballfan said: Incompetence, incompetence, incompetence. Ford and gm got it so wrong. Why are we to believe them about 2027? They got it wrong, but show me a global long standing company that's never gotten it wrong. The story here shouldn't be they got it wrong, it should be they realized they got it wrong, and were open minded enough to adapt. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader 10 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 15 minutes ago, akirby said: It is possible they decide to bring back Nautilus and design a new C2 edge for Oakville. They could even move Corsair and Escape if they need space in Louisville for the new cheap EVs. They can still use the Canadian batteries for hybrids. I just don’t see the 3 row EVs fitting into Ford’s future plans at this point. That would be great. Shouldn’t take a huge amount of design work for a C2 Edge given the new Nautilus and the Chinese Edge. Mainly a new top hat. And produce a C2 Fusion at Flat Rock rather than just continue to leave it idle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Geez...2027??!?!? That is a damn shame to idle one of Fords best performing and high quality plants for 3 years.... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OacRookie Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) Here's hoping its MY2027, which would put us back in the plant around end of q1/start of q2 2026 perhaps? Edited April 4 by OacRookie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution mackinaw Posted April 4 Solution Share Posted April 4 For the guys who work at OAC, this is from the Detroit News: "As a result, launch of the vehicles at Oakville Assembly Plant will begin in 2027 instead of the previously expected 2025. Retooling of the plant from from the gas-powered Edge crossover still is expected to begin in the second quarter. Some skilled trades workers will maintain their position through the updates, but most of the 2,700 employees at the plant will be on layoff until production resume again. The company says it will work with Canadian labor union Unifor to mitigate the effect of the delay on workers." https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2024/04/04/ford-delays-ev-launches-hybrid-lineup-2030/73201263007/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OacRookie Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 3 minutes ago, mackinaw said: For the guys who work at OAC, this is from the Detroit News: "As a result, launch of the vehicles at Oakville Assembly Plant will begin in 2027 instead of the previously expected 2025. Retooling of the plant from from the gas-powered Edge crossover still is expected to begin in the second quarter. Some skilled trades workers will maintain their position through the updates, but most of the 2,700 employees at the plant will be on layoff until production resume again. The company says it will work with Canadian labor union Unifor to mitigate the effect of the delay on workers." https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2024/04/04/ford-delays-ev-launches-hybrid-lineup-2030/73201263007/ The Union will have to negotiate something. Workers with 20+ years will mostly be fine as they have 102 weeks of income protection via SUB. I have 9 years, so I have 64 credits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted April 5 Author Share Posted April 5 5 hours ago, mackinaw said: For the guys who work at OAC, this is from the Detroit News: "As a result, launch of the vehicles at Oakville Assembly Plant will begin in 2027 instead of the previously expected 2025. Retooling of the plant from from the gas-powered Edge crossover still is expected to begin in the second quarter. Some skilled trades workers will maintain their position through the updates, but most of the 2,700 employees at the plant will be on layoff until production resume again. The company says it will work with Canadian labor union Unifor to mitigate the effect of the delay on workers." https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2024/04/04/ford-delays-ev-launches-hybrid-lineup-2030/73201263007/ Basically the same information as the paper we got from Ford directly. This crappy news is all over the place now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfan Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 12 hours ago, DeluxeStang said: They got it wrong, but show me a global long standing company that's never gotten it wrong. The story here shouldn't be they got it wrong, it should be they realized they got it wrong, and were open minded enough to adapt. It seems gm and Ford get things wrong more than others. I do not see them as adapting with this move- it is simply kicking the can down the road while abandoning yet more market segments and ceding yet more market share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balthisar Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 23 hours ago, Footballfan said: Why are we to believe them about 2027? For what it's worth, we're still building the body assembly systems with a slight delay, and then everything's going into storage. This isn't like cancelling San Luis Potosi where we quickly repurposed everything to other programs. We're still working on this a a freeze, not a cancellation. For now, anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 22 hours ago, akirby said: It is possible they decide to bring back Nautilus and design a new C2 edge for Oakville. They could even move Corsair and Escape if they need space in Louisville for the new cheap EVs. They can still use the Canadian batteries for hybrids. I just don’t see the 3 row EVs fitting into Ford’s future plans at this point. But how would that affect the benefits they've gotten from the Canadian government? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 1 hour ago, silvrsvt said: But how would that affect the benefits they've gotten from the Canadian government? The battery plant would supply hybrid batteries. Whether that technically violates the agreement or not I don’t know. That’s one of the big issues they have to work out if they’re considering that option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted April 11 Author Share Posted April 11 On 4/4/2024 at 3:44 PM, OacRookie said: Here's hoping its MY2027, which would put us back in the plant around end of q1/start of q2 2026 perhaps? Late 2027 is the word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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