Well BOC and the battery plants should be actually making product instead of spending money to get tooled up to make that product, so that is a huge change right there. 

The new design didn't stop me from ordering one yesterday....2025 Maverick Lariat AWD Hybrid, 4K tow Eruption Green....the one I looked at on the lot on Saturday was dealer traded when I went back Monday afternoon....  

Hopefully the additional/next-gen products will help them acheive that.   I think we also have to remember that it took Tesla years to break even, without the benefit of ICE products to fund them.

Haha, I watched longer than I care to admit......like watching a train wreck.   I just don't understand 1) who thought of that and also 2) who approved it?  

Or the losses become break even in a couple years  

So much for that!   Nissan board agrees to scrap $60 billion Honda merger talks, source says

Maybe production pause and/or new models are trickling into dealers?  Only thing I can think of.     That was my point in one of the posts either on this thread or another (can't remember which) - Ford slams the brakes on plans and then leaves major gaps in product cadence, and then pushes their refresh into what should be a redesign timeline.  If they followed the 3/6 refresh/redesign timeline, the refresh should've happened for '23 or '24 at the latest, with a new model being for '26 or '27 (granting an additional year because of covid), but for some reason, they keep going long on Explorer redesigns, and I think they've been lucky with sales remaining stable.

If Ford didn’t break out model E financials nobody would be talking about it.

Shopping Cybertruck    

I still personally believe the Explorer’s lack of substantial change is a compounding factor. The 25 should’ve been an all new model not a midcycle refresh. It’s one of the reasons I’m not buying one.