Correct, I should have made better linkage between the first and second paragraphs of my post, not doing so leads to misunderstanding an a gotcha post….   As far as I know, the lifts failures were contained to 21-24 year models.   Also, in order to have a warranty issue you have to first build the trucks and SUVs

That wasn’t quite the point I was referring to, but on that subject most test data for previous-generation Bolt I’ve seen put it around 6.6 ~  6.7 seconds 0-60 MPH, which I think is plenty fast enough for a budget economy car.  At least it’s not super slow like an ICE Chevy Spark which took over 10 seconds.😀   My point about MT expecting the 2027 Bolt to accelerate significantly slower than the discontinued 2023 is that their conclusion is baffling because it’s based on lower torque rating but that’s effectively not the case.  The new car reportedly weighs about 100 pounds more, which represents roughly 3%.  Power is up 5% from 200 to 210 and geared torque at wheels up a little over 4%.  Unless GM specs are wrong there is no reason to expect much change in acceleration IMO.   For clarity, previous Bolt had 266 lb-ft X 7.05 ratio or 1,880 lb-ft at wheels (excluding gearbox inefficiency).   New Bolt has 169 lb-ft X 11.59 ratio or 1,960 lb-ft at wheels (excluding gearbox inefficiency).  That’s roughly 4% higher overall torque which should compensate for slightly higher 2027 Bolt weight.   Obviously new higher-efficiency drivetrain is designed to operate at much higher RPM.  That’s not that unusual any longer.  If I recall correctly one credible source had maximum 210 HP electric motor power rated at 12,000 RPM.  Should be interesting to see how Bolt performs under testing.

Fair enough. Automotive NDAs are notoriously brutal, and it seems like secrecy on this project is top notch, I don't believe anyone on this site working within the traditional Ford system has even seen these vehicles or knows the intimate details on them, as it kinda sounds like all of that is being contained to the long beach facility at the moment.    I suspect given the additional layer of secrecy compared to normal programs, these skunkworks EVs will be like the Ford GT program all over again, known by a small team, but most of the details and products will be hidden from traditional Ford employees. My guess is a lot of them will see these vehicles for the first time the same time the public does. 

Too that point, NDA or not rumors don’t fly around the company the way they did 5-10 years ago.    used to hear all kinds of stuff on the production floor. I thought it might get even better when I crossed over to trades but it’s actually gotten worse if that’s the right way to phrase it. I used to be able to ask pretty much anyone certain things and get reasonably reliable information. Not anymore. 

I hope that disclosing that there's actually an NDA isn't a violation of the NDA, but the NDA's are especially strong on this program. Like, all programs are always under an assumed NDA. Insider information is wrong to disclose, company rules, etc., etc., but P833 (program number is already public) actually had us sign an explicit NDA for the program. Insiders on this site aren't anonymous.  

…which they can just copy and stack with their 30% battery cost advantage.  

That is the actual production car?? It looks like a 1980s concept car...and I actually kinda like it.    Its better then the generic bar of soap we've been getting as of late. 

I think we are all on the same page that this would be a Lincoln SUV based on T6 chassis. It will be a luxury SUV not a Bronco with fixed roof and Lincoln grille.   

Oh good grief - Lincoln stopped doing that 10 years ago.

And again, political pressure on the Donald will be great.  I'm surprised  the lady in the Statehouse hasn't been making a lot of noise😎