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Thats a very narrow way of looking at it. There's HUNDREDS of vendors/suppliers that built parts for every vehicle that rolls off the line and Ford cannot micromanage all of them. That's a good way to ruin your reputation and increase costs for no reason. There has to be a certain degree of trust that the chosen vendor can do the job and do it right. Clearly this one is an epic fail.

The MOD tops are different and going to a different supplier now. The MIC roofs are complex but can be made as designed, Webasto just has demonstrated no ability to reliably do so. I don't know what the future holds but they'll be replacing thousands of MIC tops in short order with... something.

It is though. I would know, I'm there every day. There's the usual beginning of production growing pains but from my end and what I see right now it's no worse than what we went through when we launched Ranger from a production standpoint, and that launch was pretty smooth. You absolutely should though. This is an example of a supplier over-promising and under-delivering. Obviously the deck was stacked against them with them building an entire new plant for this program in the middle of a pandemic and they simply did not rise to the occasion. Even Flex-N-Gate, as little as I think of them, was able to come through. Like Akirby said, the biggest thing Ford is guilty of here is choosing the wrong supplier. Not the first time and probably won't be the last. All they can do is minimize the damage as much as possible and hopefully learn from their mistakes.

Hi guys! Great day here with the Bronco at Cedar Point.

I can’t believe you people are getting wound up because Ross said Webasto screwed up the tops. That’s a fact which can’t be disputed. NOBODY is saying that Ford isn’t responsible. NOBODY is saying it’s ok. To my knowledge Ford hasn’t said anything about Webasto - that’s inside info. This is CLEARLY a defective part. Ford will CLEARLY fix this and make it right. But it isn’t something that can be fixed right away. It will take at least a few months. In the meantime the tops are still usable and soft tops still work so it’s not like the vehicles can’t be driven. It sucks, it never should have happened but Ford will fix it. Now if Ford had said “It’s a Webasto problem go talk to Webasto” and denied responsibility and weren’t working to fix it then all this angst would be justified. But Ford isn’t doing that and to my knowledge they’ve never done that so it’s stupid to even suggest that Ford is denying responsibility.

As promised, the met my build by date!

Saying it’s a defect in a Webasto manufactured part doesn’t relieve Ford of any responsibility. With that we’re closing the discussion of liability and responsibility.

There is ZERO spin or contradiction here. It’s a Ford problem for which Ford is responsible and the ROOT CAUSE is a Webasto manufacturing issue. Webasto has to correct the manufacturing problem or Ford has to find a new supplier. That is a totally different process and timeline than if it just an assembly line error.

Latest update is that all MIC top orders will be built with soft tops instead, and dealer will install corrected hardtop at later date. Ford as compensation will add 25,000 points to Ford Pass rewards program.

Received my second email today! 8/2 build, ordered 4/21. 7.3L Lariat Tremor!!

I think you missed my point from yesterday. It's impossible to micromanage every single vendor, supplier and part. There's just far to many. There are multiple processes and contingencies in place that by and large are effective. Maybe it's time to revisit a few of them since this seems to be a troubling pattern and hopefully now that we've seen verification on social media that the CEO himself is definitely aware of it some things will improve.

There were massive efforts made. I can't and won't speak to specifics but there were massive efforts made.

You got a quote at invoice and with the shortage of inventory you want to know if you could get an even better deal? You're kidding, right!

Heard they may have found one problem with tops seperating. The CNC, that trims the panel after molding, was cutting to close to the upper and lower seam. Biggest problem still to be resolved is Webasto can't get enough workers to run plant at levels needed. Ford has sent extra people from Rawsonville and other plants to work there. They have even asked others to volunteer to work there on layoff weeks.

Thank you akirby sir, that's everything that new Bronco owners need to know about the hardtop problems. Nothing more, nothing less.

It should only chime if the keys are in the ignition or the lights are on.

I'm betting that is part of the reason for the stop in production of the weeks of the 12th and 26th.

With that said, it looks like 2022s have started shipping.

I screwed up. PremierDrum posted the message as something Ford SHOULD DO, not something they have done. So looks as of now Ford has not responded to MIC defects. Hopefully Ford will do what Premier recommended. Only give more than 25,000 points.

Bronco Nation. Ford sent out the message posted on Bronco Nation Forum.

Got my email last night after assuming I wouldn't receive anything. Great day.

I believe this one is different though. The people waiting this long for their bronco are hardcore Ford fans and seem way more plugged into what is happening than the average buyer walking into a dealer looking for an Escape or F-150.

Correct, to the public, this is a Ford issue, not a vendor issue...regardless of how loud we cover our ears and yell LALALALALALA. We know the issue and who is responsible, but that's not how the public sees it and trying to change that perception will be like turning the titanic on a dime. Is Ford to partially blame? Absolutely, they should never have let it get this far down the road without interjecting and ensuring the tops are of quality worthy of being on their vehicles. Also, let's be real, you don't think Ross or anyone else with these issues will go to Webasto to get this resolved; they will go to Ford. ...and I know this is a Ford site, but let's be honest, if this were happening to Jeep or GM, we'd be all over it as proof of their crappy quality. I honestly think Ford should be micromanaging their suppliers, so stuff like this does not happen (and I hope they are). As far as they should be concerned, they work for Ford, and their processes and parts should go through the same scrutiny that Ford would do with their internally sourced parts. Let's just hope Ford puts their very loud megaphone to Webasto and gets them to make these tops with better QC and solves this before it gets any worse. I hope they have Ford engineers in there overseeing everything from this point until they are dumped for another supplier.

Everyone on this site knows the importance or destruction a vendor can play but not the general public who've plunked down $50-60k for this vehicle and waited well over a year. Ultimately this is Ford's fault since it is their name on the vehicle and they've selected the vendors. I cannot believe Ford was not intimately involved in the QC process as the top went thru development, since it is such a major component of the vehicle. Glad to hear the launch is similar to one's you experienced in the past. I really hope though that they make this right for the affected customers.....something Ford has CLEARLY failed to do in the past!!

Sure... Lets see...super popular subject that will generate clicks increase ad revenue...lets run a story on EVERY little thing that pops up. Outside of the roof issue, which is a complete clusterfuck, reporting a single, two or three identical problems out of 800 produced and sold Broncos works out to a less then 1% failure.

You need to talk to the Dealer and tell them to make sure your e-mail address is included with your order in the WBDO (Web Based Dealer Ordering) system. A copy of the WBDO detail page will show all the vehicle specifications and options but will not show the e-mail address. There's a separate window in WBDO where the customer e-mail is attached to the order. In addition, the Dealer should have a signed Buyer's Order and a copy of your Driver's License to submit to the COVP (Customer Order Verification Program) to be eligible for expedited scheduling and incremental allocation.

Priority codes and allocation are separate but related subjects. A Dealer normally needs allocation in order to get vehicles scheduled that week and then the priority codes would apply in determining the order in which vehicles are reviewed for selection to be scheduled. The exception would be an order that has been placed and verified in the COVP (Customer Order Verification Program) for expedited scheduling with incremental allocation. Retail orders use priority codes 10-19 which are assigned by the dealership. Only the regional office can assign a "01" priority code. Each dealership's USOB (Unscheduled Order Bank) is independent from any other dealership as are the order priority codes and allocation.

Seriously what? Ross also posted yesterday that those with orders should relax and that all is great in the world of MAP production. It’s a shit show. There are roofs on Broncos that were delivered to customers with defects day 1. Do you blame the supplier? I don’t. Good luck taking delivery of your Bronco and being satisfied with the MIC roof. I will happily wait this out with soft top orders but hope that FORD decides to compensate those who have defective tops.

It's rough, but I suppose a brand new model with new components from a new supplier launching during a global pandemic had a ton to do with this. The truck is awesome and I love driving it. People stop me daily to talk about it. They smile. It's fun to look at and more fun to drive. The roof is being poorly manufactured, the fruit of a business relationship that has already fractured beyond salvation. The design behind the roof was likely too complex to pull off in real world manufacturing situations. Webasto assured Ford they could and Ford trusted them. I have to believe these will all be replaced at some point, as they're not exactly repairable and are already falling apart. I'm still enjoying every bit of driving it while they sort out the mess.

Everest is the same size as 7 seat Edge sold in China. So slightly bigger than Bronco but about 6" shorter than Explorer - Roughly the same size as Toyota 4Runner. L x W x H //WB Edge (5 seat) 188.1" x 75.9" x 68.6" // 112.2" Bronco (4 door) 190.5" x 75.9" x 70.2" // 116.1" Edge (7 seat) 192" x 75.9" x 68.6" // 112.2" Everest 192.6" x 73.3" x 72.3" // 112.2" Explorer 198.8" x 78.9" x 69.9" // 119.1" 4Runner 191.3" x 75.8" x 71.5" // 109.8"

Yes sir jpd80, that is correct. In the U.S., Camry sales to retail buyers remain strong. The TMMK plant in Kentucky recently produced its 10 millionth Camry. Toyota Celebrates Production of 10 Millionth Camry in Kentucky - Toyota USA Newsroom

Have you been here since Steel Vengeance opened?!? Currently in line to ride it for the 5th time today. Absolutely indescribable. No kids or spouses today, just me and a friend, so we bit the bullet and did FastLane Plus and I can't imagine this day without it. BUSY.

Not arguing that but Camry is made up of retail buyers coming from other brands (refugees), those rusted on car buyers are expected to waste away over the next few years, Toyota knows that. Fewer sales of Camrys to rentals these days as they now buy more utilities that are in demand by renters. Theres no doubt that GM and Ford gave up on the midsized car segments because they made it all about buying utilities, GM made the switch to utilities and Mexican production much quicker than Ford who took at least two years longer to make the same changes and made the loss of focus and fusion look like gaping sales wounds as they ebbed away. What a terrible thing to do to once decent products…… Toyota and Honda choosing to stay in those markets a bit longer will certainly benefit by having less competition and the lion’s share of segment sales. Toyota now sells a lot of hybrid Camrys that keep sales mix and transition prices up.

IIRC the last time the Mustang was updated, we didn't see spy shots for a long time due to them running them at night.

There was a new Ford car prototype snapped in Germany recently but not sure that’s even US bound.

Unfortunately it’s not quite as simple as prioritizing high margin trucks. I’ve only heard of a few platinums being scheduled. Crickets on my order (plat with every option except adaptive steering) which was placed 3/22. I suspect there is some balance between not building stripped down xlt and xl models vs the more gizmos the more commodity restrictions that come in to play, making something like a lariat the sweet spot. who knows, but the grass probably looks greener for everyone

Yep and I ordered one for mine as well. Love these things!

Correct. It’s the same bed

This was huge! Thank you Succeed. Paying around 60 bucks for a 1 year membership to save me on my upcoming Explorer purchase was a no brainer. Now I just need the Chicago plant to open back up so my car can actually hit the production line.

Awaiting Shipment - Released Ford Kentucky Truck Plant 2, KY Jul-20-2021, 00:00 EDT.

Excellent input. Thank you for the explanation! I will have to live with the halogens as I’m not a fan of aftermarket. jon

Priority codes only apply to unscheduled orders. Once the vehicle is scheduled the priority code has absolutely no bearing or influence on the order.

?? I guess I’ll just have to buy them and see.

From how i understand it the priority number is only relative to your specific dealers allocations. IE a 1 from your dealer will be scheduled before a 19 that was also ordered from your dealer. Once the truck is scheduled it is meaningless. So if you ordered from a big dealership it might make a difference, if you ordered from a small town dealer i doubt it will do much.

Just got notified my 350 CC SRW Lariat Ultimate Tremor has been scheduled for production week of 23 August. UTT, moonroof, black appearance, antimatter blue Placed the order on 6/15, Priority Code 10. Changed the order a couple weeks ago to delete the adaptive steering.

Since 2016, IIHS has exposed how bad headlamps are for many passenger cars and light trucks. This has resulted in many automakers making improvements, in many cases making LED headlamps and technologies like curve adaptive and automatic high beam systems standard across all trim levels. Headlights (iihs.org) Unfortunately, heavy duty pickup trucks like F-Series SD that have GVWR >8,500 lbs are not evaluated by IIHS. So Ford is unlikely to make LED headlamps standard across the board on Super Duty.

Yeah unfortunately it's common for car makers to lock desirable options into high trims.

Yeah I got excited when I saw it on the build sheet but it wasn’t an option when I was ordering my ‘22 Super Duty. It’s on the builder but won’t accept it unless you add the ultimate package (over $3k I believe, + $1200ish for the headlights). Or $4kish for the black package. There are a couple $570 discounts with those packages but still couldn’t justify the extra $4k just to have the headlights. I get it, it’s marketing and you have to pay to play, but I had to draw the line somewhere.

I think you’re conflating torque limiting strategies in other applications like FWD with what goes on in RWD/AWD. We do know that the 60 was developed well after the 80 with improved efficiency as well as being lighter but does that mean that it can’t tow moderate loads? OK, here’s my “walk back” on what I said previously, Maybe Ford doesn’t change 2.7 F150 to 10R60 because it doesn’t make economic sense to pay for changes to use a gearbox that has less capability? In comparison, the Ranger is never going to have the tow rating of the F150 but there’s other supply considerations, The 10R is established and used with the 2.0 diesel as well, so maybe keeping things as they are is less complicated for international supply chains and parts. it seems odd that Ford would develop the lighter 60 for just a few applications but I guess that all those Explorer and Bronco 10R60 builds add up significantly over the two product cycles…..

I've been considering switching to the 7.3 gasser on my next truck, but I just got back from towing my 14k fiver through the Rockies in Colorado. The exhaust brake was amazing! Not to mention, the power of the 6.7L, I don't see myself switching back to gas. Now, if there was an EcoBoost or hybrid version of the gasser in the Super Duty, then I may have a tougher decision to make. With the exhaust brake on, coming down Pikes Peek, I had to use the accelerator more than the brake pedal!