ANTAUS Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 LINK-Detroit news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 We obviously knew the CV is dying, but I do wonder if Ford will push it's death back 1 year to help things with the CAW as the end of the article mentioned. Is the CV required to comply to that side airbag law (or whatever it was) that was reason for production ceasing in 2011 on it (and that may've not been the reason for CV's 2011 date, I don't remember) and Ranger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Earlier this evening I noticed a strange blue glow off to the north east. Now I think I know what it was. Matt suffered a meltdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Earlier this evening I noticed a strange blue glow off to the north east. Now I think I know what it was. Matt suffered a meltdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosetang Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Every time I read new info on Carbon motors, it just makes me cringe. The guys running that company have negative business acumen. Their only hope is that their product is so fantastically fantastic that overcomes the major flaws in the business model, but if Michigan cops aren't even going to eval it then they're pretty SOL. Interesting how the article stress that while Ford is leaning heavily toward Taurus, it's keeping its options open in the post-CV area. Well, if it's not CV and it's not Taurus then it's gotta be something they don't currently sell in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerM Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Interesting how the article stress that while Ford is leaning heavily toward Taurus, it's keeping its options open in the post-CV area. Well, if it's not CV and it's not Taurus then it's gotta be something they don't currently sell in the US. It's my understanding (based on various sources I've read) that the problems with the Impala have been the lack of (long-term) durability in the front-wheel drive. Has Ford got something up their sleeve with the Taurus that makes it more heavy duty? (or possibly they're ceding first-place to Dodge?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 The new Taurus has a serious design flaw when it comes to being a police car. 3" less rear leg room ! When you put the cage in, where are prisoners going to put their feet ? Obvious solution is a stretched Taurus, similar to the stretched S80 that Volvo is selling in China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 (or possibly they're ceding first-place to Dodge?) even now, the Ontario Provincial police are stocking up on Chargers. but then again, who cares. Police is yet another low margin fleet sale. Lose the rental fleets and police and focus on the higher margin customers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerM Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 (edited) even now, the Ontario Provincial police are stocking up on Chargers. but then again, who cares. Police is yet another low margin fleet sale. Lose the rental fleets and police and focus on the higher margin customers. I understand what you're saying here, but in tough economic times do people prefer the lowest price, or knowing that they're getting value for their money? When I purchase something, I am willing to spend more $$ for the sure thing, than take a chance on an unknown. I know that many police cars are purchased on the basis of competitive bid, however the criteria for those bids is set by the municipality. Does the Dodge (or the Taurus) police car match the quality/reliability of the CV? If the CV is superior, then its price premium can be justified; even by the government. Here in Raleigh, I'm told they maintain a fleet of about 110% (to allow for vehicular repairs). If another vehicle requires more than 110%, then is it really a better deal? Edited August 28, 2009 by RangerM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Cue Armada Master in 5...4...3...2... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Cue Armada Master in 5...4...3...2... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfeg Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 The thing is that Ford cannot continue an orphan line of cars (CV, GM, TC) that has low and ever declining sales. Every model year they have even fewer parts in common with higher volume lines. Police fleet sales of about 64k vehicles per year can never justify a dedicated plant and a dedicated platform. There are other paths. The next generation Explorer may be able to spawn a variant suitable. Hey, even a variant based on a modified F150 chassis is a possibility (maybe not probable, but possible). The key is that such a future product must have commonality with a line that has reasonable volume, and be able to be built in a plant that has relatively high utilization in order to keep the price reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman100 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Ford to Police - pay more and get less. Police to Ford - Ford is out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofford Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 ... Obvious solution is a stretched Taurus, similar to the stretched S80 that Volvo is selling in China. I think the obvious solution is to cut off suspects' feet if they don't fit. Either that or stuff them into the trunk. It's pretty large. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 When you put the cage in, where are prisoners going to put their feet ? Twist them into a pretzel and shove their feet up their azz! Sorry...I have no sympathy for prisoners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Does the Dodge (or the Taurus) police car match the quality/reliability of the CV? According to the article, the Charger ain't holding up well either. RWD is not a guarantee of durability. Also, Crown Vics have less rear leg room than Taurus. PIs use the standard length Crown Vic, not the extended WB taxi model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Ford to Police - pay more and get less. Police to Ford - Ford is out. Snort. And buy what instead? An Impala? A Charger? Cars that are flimsier than the Taurus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Snort. And buy what instead? An Impala? A Charger? Cars that are flimsier than the Taurus? here comes the Tahoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettech Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 How many cop car issue would the solve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 How many cop car issue would the solve? Might work for some auxiliary units, but for a patrol vehicle? No way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 How many cop car issue would the solve? LOL wouldn't cut it as an Interceptor though Would fill every other role quite nicely though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 (edited) perhaps larger police forces should start thinking about specialized purpose vehicles. many already have vans, pickups and station wagons for specific purposes. why not use, say, V8 Mustangs for patrol/pursuit and once criminals are apprehended, a van shows up to transfer them to the station. Use Chargers/Impalas/Tauruses for general purpose/traffic control usage. The days of a one-size-fits-all car are over with the death of the CV Edited August 28, 2009 by J-150 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Police barely keep their cruisers mroe ethan 1 year and 25,000 miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Police barely keep their cruisers mroe ethan 1 year and 25,000 miles. They're all much older than that here. Our county department still has several Intrepids...they were cancelled how many years ago now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Very few departments here keep cars more than 2 years, though there are few little used special purpose models that stick around for a decade or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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