RichardJensen Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I wonder which headlight draws more current--- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbalek Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) Seeing that picture with the headlights on makes me wish this thing had projectors even more. Bad oversight, Ford. Are we not looking at the same pic? THEY ARE PROJECTORS! Sorry had to yell. LOL http://www.autoblog.com/photos/ces-2011-ford-focus-electric/full/#3756893 Edited January 8, 2011 by hbalek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosetang Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) Says to me that the sexy headlights will be a late availability option for the gas Focus. Edited January 8, 2011 by Moosetang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbalek Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 The one in the middle is non-projector, the two on either side have projectors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 But it's a good candidate as a "first car". 70% of Americans commute less than 30 miles a day and everyone has a 220v plug at home. No, not everyone has a 220v plug at home, and even those who do, few would have them in the garage. My parents house does not have one, and mine did not until I did my kitchen renno (electric oven, gas cooktop). I'm excited to see real world range. My parking garage has chargers available. This could be my perfect commuter car. Hybrid would give me no real benefit. BORG needs to realize not everyone is a single, one car, 30 something Lincoln enthusiast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Seeing that picture with the headlights on makes me wish this thing had projectors even more. Bad oversight, Ford. As stated above, they ARE projectors (I included a different picture without the healights on). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazerdude20 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 As stated above, they ARE projectors (I included a different picture without the healights on). i think he means the regular focus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 i think he means the regular focus. Ah, then in that case I would agree (at least optional). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jCgh25adlo&feature=player_embedded Looking good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Man, that is one ugly car, but I've never really liked the look of the focus. This just takes it further down the drain. Lately some of the newer focus sedans have been pretty nice though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Alternatives are needed and not everyone wants to drive used P71's. Get over it, gearhead fanbois 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalepsy Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Accidentally hit the (-) on the reputation thing...sorry about that. I don't know how to correct it. (I injured my wrist weight lifting so it is wrapped up in a splint). Meant to hit reply... I actually like the electric front end better. It is less busy than the regular version. I think it is sufficiently different enough from the gas Focus to be of interested to the ego- I mean eco- crowd. I'm not convinced that electric cars have a future (yet), but I can be very wrong on it. I guess sales will tell the tale. The issue is that people keep assuming the "100 miles per charge" is the range. That's on a fresh battery. That charge will fade...as all batteries fade. Your range might be 100 miles when you drove to work. By the time you are ready to go home and a cold front's moved in, it could be 20 miles left for you. What are you going to do then? If you are in a non-snow area, how much juice does ti take to run the a/c? If you are stuck on the highway in California in the summer, do you just sit in the hot car without the a/c running? I don't know the details obviously...but I would be happy for Ford if this thing sells like hot cakes. Meanwhile...5 weeks now on a splint and still can't do curls...at least now I can turn the doorknob without pain. LOL Man, that is one ugly car, but I've never really liked the look of the focus. This just takes it further down the drain. Lately some of the newer focus sedans have been pretty nice though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I'm going to take back some of my thoughts on the Electric Focus, I've spoken to real consumers and they convince me this is an appealing option for them...depends on price and infrastructure of course. Seeing it in video also makes it look more attractive, and the My Ford Touch system actually appears to work in that video (the butterfly animated wallpaper isn't 2fps). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I have exchanged emails with an acquaintance who is an engineer at FoMoCo, and he states unequivocally that within 10 years, electric cars will have the range, performance, speed of recharge, and longevity to be competitive with gas powered cars. He wouldn't(or couldn't) make predictions on price, but that they would be "substantially less expensive" than they are now. Even now, this car could replace about 40% of the cars in this country...all the 2nd cars in 2-car families that are used for commuting and for around town errands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transitman Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I have exchanged emails with an acquaintance who is an engineer at FoMoCo, and he states unequivocally that within 10 years, electric cars will have the range, performance, speed of recharge, and longevity to be competitive with gas powered cars. He wouldn't(or couldn't) make predictions on price, but that they would be "substantially less expensive" than they are now. Even now, this car could replace about 40% of the cars in this country...all the 2nd cars in 2-car families that are used for commuting and for around town errands That would be great and I'm all for it. For Ford's first entry into the game, I think the Focus overall looks good, more stylish than the Leaf or Volt. I'm considering replacing a 2010 Fusion with a 2012 Focus this summer. In order to be competitive and not be just a commuter/errand vehicle a lot needs to be done. In order for it to really compete with gas or gas hybrid cars, every restaurant, shopping mall and hotel/motel across the country will need to install charging stations, along with roadside charging stations and emergency stations. A battery exchange network will need to be in place for non stop continuous trips, or cars will need to be designed to be able to accept a rapid charge of 30 minutes or less. A lot of private buy-in, and yes, a lot of Government investment will be needed for the infrastructure. For now the upper 2% will own them, but for guys like me, it will be a long time until I can afford one as a daily driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Haha, wow. Some real fanboys up in this place. Apparently in Nazi ford land you can't have your own opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Who stopped you from having your own opinion? Just as importantly, why do you feel that people shouldn't have a right to disagree with your opinion? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I know that from a production, design and cost savings (and ultimately profit) standpoint, using the Focus as the entry in the all-electric retail field was the best case for Ford. When new technology like this is released, generally the greenies want to shout it from the rooftops that "THEY ARE DRIVING AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE". I hope that they can look past that and realize that this is likely the best all-electric package they can buy....even if it is wrapped in the same same shell as a gas powered Focus. If I were in the market for something like this, I would definitely buy this over the Leaf. I just hope that the "status conscious" people feel the same way. This seems to really be a solid entry into what looks to be a fast growing segment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I haven't been paying much attention to the Leaf but is Nissan carrying through with their plan to lease the battery to the consumer? If so, how might that affect the buying choice? If the buyer is faced with an extra monthly charge for leasing the battery that could negatively affect sales. However, if that same buyer planned to keep the car long term it could actually be less expensive than paying for a replacement when the original battery pack eventually dies. Of course some buyers would probably just trade the vehicle in at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I haven't been paying much attention to the Leaf but is Nissan carrying through with their plan to lease the battery to the consumer? If so, how might that affect the buying choice? If the buyer is faced with an extra monthly charge for leasing the battery that could negatively affect sales. However, if that same buyer planned to keep the car long term it could actually be less expensive than paying for a replacement when the original battery pack eventually dies. Of course some buyers would probably just trade the vehicle in at that point. Does anybody know how much these batterys cost? I'm thinking what, maybe around ~$3000-$4000? I'm just guestimating this based on the price premium of the escape hybrid over the regular hybrid, and the rest I assume is maybe for the other hybrid components? Those escape hybrid taxis in California went 300,000 miles on the original batteries. So it seems like they have the potential to last a lot longer than many engines and trannys, and probably the ownership of a lot of original owners. While it's still a lot of money, battery replacement wouldn't be much more costly than an engine replacement. I haven't researched battery prices, so if somebody knows I'd love to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transitman Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) I haven't been paying much attention to the Leaf but is Nissan carrying through with their plan to lease the battery to the consumer? If so, how might that affect the buying choice? If the buyer is faced with an extra monthly charge for leasing the battery that could negatively affect sales. However, if that same buyer planned to keep the car long term it could actually be less expensive than paying for a replacement when the original battery pack eventually dies. Of course some buyers would probably just trade the vehicle in at that point. What's the value for resale on an electric with a depleted battery with an instant costly repair? I could see Ford selling replacement batteries to dealers at cost so cars wouldn't be sitting on used lots too long. This would also encourage trade-ins rather than private sales. Dealerships can make money on the car twice. Edited January 8, 2011 by transitman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Are we not looking at the same pic? THEY ARE PROJECTORS! Sorry had to yell. LOL http://www.autoblog.com/photos/ces-2011-ford-focus-electric/full/#3756893 So they is! Made the remark after only seeing the first released photo. Didn't look much like projectors in that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 The BEV focus Weighs 3700lbs. Ford's new C platform now spans 2800-3800lbs. The BEV's batteries are located behind the rear seat, and below the rear seat, where the fuel tank would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosetang Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Haha, wow. Some real fanboys up in this place. Apparently in Nazi ford land you can't have your own opinion. Wait, you can disagree with us and that's all baseball and apple pie but if we disagree with you it's Goose-stepping and Ovens? Are you by any chance a Fox News anchor? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Haha, wow. Some real fanboys up in this place. Apparently in Nazi ford land you can't have your own opinion. Contrary to your assumption....you can have a differing opinion, but when you post it here on an enthusiast site for the Ford Motor Company....what did you expect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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