akirby Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Some designs don't allow trunk struts so it's not necessarily just a cost issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkisler Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Some designs don't allow trunk struts so it's not necessarily just a cost issue. Since this is also one of my pet peves, I can provide some input. . I will agree that one has to make the decision on which decklid hinging system to go with before the design is complete, but it is primarily a cost issue. The sheetmetal for a 4-bar link is unique as it has to incorporate a bigger ditch to accomodate the mount ponts for the hinge. If you have a gooseneck, then going to a 4-bar link would require considerable cost to retool. And there is also a variable cost penalty for 4-bar link. My general impression without doing research is that goosenecks are very European, while 4-bar links are very Japanese. I've noticed at the auto show that even BMW uses goosenecks (I didn't check MB and Audi). They are packaged better than they used to be. In the old days, they were more inboard and uncovered so there was a good chance they would smash your luggage. But now at least BMW has them outboard and enclosed so even though you still lose some luggage room, you can't pinch your luggage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 What do you bet they just relocated the goosenecks from the Mondeo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkisler Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 What do you bet they just relocated the goosenecks from the Mondeo? Given that Fusion is a very nice major refresh of the Mondeo, I'm assuming they used carryover parts wherever they could as long as they didn't inhibit the design theme or function. Engineers generally design what they know. In this case, I doubt they gave it much thought at all. Whether the parts are actually common or just similar in design, I'm not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 From what I'm seeing the Fusion is around 20 mm wider with regards Hip and shoulder room compared with current Mondeo, This bring it to very similar internal dimensions as D3 Taurus but still around 2" narrower than Falcon's hip and shoulder room. With FoA now seriously evaluating their future cars and the days of a Falcon-Fairlane pairing now past, I think there's a real opportunity for the next large car to share a lot of CD4 engineering and for one car to cover mid size and large segments with a few modest changes, mostly concerning engine and trunk capacity. Falcon now uses EUCD door and frame tech so further changes using wiring looms and electricals like Ranger does... Although it could become a completely different car, I keep getting visions of the 2016 Falcon as a RWD version of Fusion, using it powered IRS and a lot of the top hat and dash board/trim modules to get the project over the line...but still, there's a very compelling argument for AWD Fusion with I-4 and V6, diesel and hybrid - all that tech is hard to resist..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) Given that Fusion is a very nice major refresh of the Mondeo, I'm assuming they used carryover parts wherever they could as long as they didn't inhibit the design theme or function. Engineers generally design what they know. In this case, I doubt they gave it much thought at all. Whether the parts are actually common or just similar in design, I'm not sure. Current Mondeo sedan uses struts on the trunk lid . First gooseneck hinges I have seen on Euro Ford cars, started with the latest Focus (MKIII) sedan, which caused lots of negative comments on the Focus forums in Europe, but at least the design is good and does not eat up space like the cheap hinges found in the new Sonata (man no wonder new Hyundai's are so low priced (light on the substance factor) Edited January 31, 2012 by MKII Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Thank you for the pictures. Although I admit a strut setup is arguably superior, I personally think it's not that big of a deal. I guess I'll have to tell my wife to cease purhase on that swanky luggage set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Thank you for the pictures. Although I admit a strut setup is arguably superior, I personally think it's not that big of a deal. I guess I'll have to tell my wife to cease purhase on that swanky luggage set. My LS has the gooseneck hinges. It's occasionally annoying ("Why won't this stupid lid close? Oh, yeah..."), but it's normally not a big deal. If they've shrouded the hinges, it shouldn't be any issue at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Interview with Ford Fusion exterior designer Dillon Blanski What is this theme? It’s called Kinetic 2.0; the current Mondeo in Europe is Kinetic 1.0 and we’ve evolved that form language with this vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I would have to add, with my LS I have no problems sticking a moderate sized plastic storage bin in the trunk, even if it is pretty shallow and just 13.5 cu.ft. I tried doing that in an MKS and because the cut-out is so limited because of it's "coupe like" rear end, I cannot placed that bin inside it's cavernous (once inside), 20cu.ft. trunk. As more of these vehicles are being designed with more swoopier coupe-like rear ends people need to check realistically what fits in their trunk if the cut-out is compromised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 As more of these vehicles are being designed with more swoopier coupe-like rear ends people need to check realistically what fits in their trunk if the cut-out is compromised. That was actually one of the first things that struck me on seeing the MKZ show car. Having all the trunk space is great--unless you can't get anything in there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) That was actually one of the first things that struck me on seeing the MKZ show car. Having all the trunk space is great--unless you can't get anything in there... Good reason to include the 5 door hatch for these new models Mondeo 5 door hatch Edited February 1, 2012 by MKII 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 part of the reason why guys think the fusion looks sexy is cuz the front looks like it has a gaping mouth giving fellatio if you show the fusion to any chick they'd roll their eyes and say it looks like a camry. Methinks you should meet smarter chicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extreme4x4 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 part of the reason why guys think the fusion looks sexy is cuz the front looks like it has a gaping mouth giving fellatio if you show the fusion to any chick they'd roll their eyes and say it looks like a camry. Nice way to stereotype there, Bub. This "chick" thinks the new Fusion looks very elegant, with excellent detailing that makes it look much more expensive than it actually is. Frankly, it makes all other midsize cars look clunky and bloated. However, what would I know............... being a "chick" and all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) part of the reason why guys think the fusion looks sexy is cuz the front looks like it has a gaping mouth giving fellatio if you show the fusion to any chick they'd roll their eyes and say it looks like a camry. WOW...all I can say...WOW.....enjoy the single life much?... Edited February 1, 2012 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 note i said chicks, not hags. chicks have an expiration age of 25. But idiots like you are forever! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Methinks as well that ShabbyBub shall not continue to be a member of BON for long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 My bestfriend, who happens to be a female, saw the cover of the MT that her husband received (yes for free, cause no one i know pays for that subscription), and she thought it looked very elegant, and very "Jaguar and Aston Martin-like" and she doesn't know much about cars, although she absorbs things when I point things out to her. But speaking about car fronts, and sex, my tips is, the days of having sex on top of your car hood are long gone... I remember snapping my Mustang hood in half when I did that, and I wasn't even lying on IT ! Oh how times have changed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extreme4x4 Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) Methinks as well that ShabbyBub shall not continue to be a member of BON for long. LOL, I note that his post disappeared pretty quick. If it wasn't for the quote above, I never would have knows what an ass he was. Thanks Tom!! To a small mind, it must be devastating to have a "chick/hag" know more about cars/trucks than he does. :D I'm thinking late teens?? I guess I will just add him to my fan club. LOL Edited February 2, 2012 by Extreme4x4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 LOL, I note that his post disappeared pretty quick. If it wasn't for the quote above, I never would have knows what an ass he was. Thanks Tom!! To a small mind, it must be devastating to have a "chick/hag" know more about cars/trucks than he does. :D I'm thinking late teens?? I guess I will just add him to my fan club. LOL You probably have the biggest fan club of anyone else on this site. It happens when you're the only female in a space, I've noticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 My bestfriend, who happens to be a female, saw the cover of the MT that her husband received (yes for free, cause no one i know pays for that subscription), and she thought it looked very elegant, and very "Jaguar and Aston Martin-like" and she doesn't know much about cars, although she absorbs things when I point things out to her. But speaking about car fronts, and sex, my tips is, the days of having sex on top of your car hood are long gone... I remember snapping my Mustang hood in half when I did that, and I wasn't even lying on IT ! Oh how times have changed My wife thought it looked like a "premium car" (her words exactly). She loves the design inside and out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extreme4x4 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 You probably have the biggest fan club of anyone else on this site. It happens when you're the only female in a space, I've noticed. The problem isn't the "fan club." It's the "fan" club................. if you know what I mean. I seem to attract more of the stalker sort, than the admired because I am a female motorhead, sort. LOL Oh well. My shoulders are broad (not really). To that end, I just had alot of fun schooling some revisionist history on Ford, on the Corvair forum. :D My husband was amused. I know alot more about the current affairs of the auto industry than he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fou_bleu Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 (edited) Rather than start a new topic I'll post this here. Left Lane News wrote an article suggesting that Ford might have shown the Fusion off too soon. Larry Taylor, an Ohio Ford dealer owner, is concerned that 2012 Fusions won't be moving off the lots with customers waiting till September for the 2013 model. In my opinion, the Fusion kind of had to come out at Detroit, regardless of its on-sale date. NAIAS is the biggest U.S. show of the year and it's also the home show for the Big 3, therefore they want to show off their biggest new products, no? Also, some comments make good points about stopping people not just buying current Fusions, but also current CamCord, Malibu etc... What are your thoughts? Edited February 12, 2012 by Aussie_Ford 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 (edited) ...Also, some comments make good points about stopping people not just buying current Fusions, but also current CamCord, Malibu etc...What are your thoughts? considering how gorgeous the new Fusion is (well maybe not the tail lights) imho this is a distinct possibility & it wouldn't surprise me if Ford intends this imho the MKZ is another story.... Edited February 12, 2012 by 2b2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fou_bleu Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Well Lincoln needed something at Detroit - the 2013 MKS/T weren't going to be enough IMO, so the Concept was quite wise - it separates the production car reveals (Fusion & MKZ) and also builds up a bit of anticipation to New York (regardless of what people think of the final product). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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