akirby Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I would think 3.0LEB for Lincoln, 2.7L EB for Fords. But I think it's clear that it would need to be either a 2.3L or 2.7L EB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Possible, but don't forget Ford Performance said 12 vehicles by 2020. Hard to get to 12 without counting Fusion. Does performance vehicles include the 'Sport' trim line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Late next year for the Fusion? That thing better have a solid refresh. It will be pushing 4 years old and will be by far the oldest midsize on the market. A simple grille change will not cut it. Going off the topic for a bit, I'm hoping the interior gets updated. I'm presuming the outside won't change too much but it'll be noticable enough. Back to Fusion ST: I hope it's an ST, I'm betting a EB23 (please have a manual option) while the MKZ gets the EB23 and EB27. I'm not seeing a 'Fusion Sport' here, I think that should go to the CUV/SUV group. Just IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I was hoping for a Raptorized Transit. I'd call it the Traptor. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Going off the topic for a bit, I'm hoping the interior gets updated. I'm presuming the outside won't change too much but it'll be noticable enough. Back to Fusion ST: I hope it's an ST, I'm betting a EB23 (please have a manual option) while the MKZ gets the EB23 and EB27. I'm not seeing a 'Fusion Sport' here, I think that should go to the CUV/SUV group. Just IMHO. Well, there was a Fusion Sport in the first gen model (both the original and refreshed model). But I agree it should be an ST to fit in with the rest of the car lineup. With Sport (Edge and Explorer so far) should stick with the SUVs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Well, there was a Fusion Sport in the first gen model (both the original and refreshed model). But I agree it should be an ST to fit in with the rest of the car lineup. With Sport (Edge and Explorer so far) should stick with the SUVs.+1 for me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 Well going on the brakes alone on this mule/prototype, we can assume that more has been done to it then just calling it a Sport and putting a more powerful engine in it. The last gen Fusion Sport just had the 3.5L in it and I don't believe it got any other additional performance upgrades? As for engine sizes, what about the rumored 3L Ecoboost engine that is supposed to be in the Continental? I'm assuming its the stroked version of the 2.7L V6 ecoboost. Having the 3.0L V6 Ecoboost in the MKZ sport or whatever they call it (is there even really demand for this??) would be enough to keep it different then Fusion ST. If I had my way, I'd rather use the Focus RS 2.3L Ecoboost...lighter weight and nearly the same performance as the 2.7L. the 2.7L beats it in Torque but only by 25 or so Ft lbs when the engine is in overboost mode. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) First off, what would be wrong with 275 HP 2.3 EB basically replacing the 2.0 EB in Fusion and MKZ? That would give a nice power increase to both cars while leaving open the 350 HP 2.7 EB for ST and high series MKZ. Heck, we can dream.. Edited September 3, 2015 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 First off, what would be wrong with 275 HP 2.3 EB basically replacing the 2.0 EB in Fusion and MKZ? That would give a nice power increase to both cars while leaving open the 350 HP 2.7 EB for ST and high series MKZ. Heck, we can dream.. Most likely change will be the EB20 moving to Gen II a la Edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Would be nice to have 2 options: 2.3L EB Manual (Focus RS drivetrain) 2.7L Auto (Edge Sport drivetrain) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Well going on the brakes alone on this mule/prototype, we can assume that more has been done to it then just calling it a Sport and putting a more powerful engine in it. The last gen Fusion Sport just had the 3.5L in it and I don't believe it got any other additional performance upgrades? As for engine sizes, what about the rumored 3L Ecoboost engine that is supposed to be in the Continental? I'm assuming its the stroked version of the 2.7L V6 ecoboost. Having the 3.0L V6 Ecoboost in the MKZ sport or whatever they call it (is there even really demand for this??) would be enough to keep it different then Fusion ST. If I had my way, I'd rather use the Focus RS 2.3L Ecoboost...lighter weight and nearly the same performance as the 2.7L. the 2.7L beats it in Torque but only by 25 or so Ft lbs when the engine is in overboost mode. The 3.0L ecoboost is Lincoln only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 The 3.0L ecoboost is Lincoln only. I know, thus why using the 2.7L V6 in the Fusion wouldn't be a major problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 Would be nice to have 2 options: 2.3L EB Manual (Focus RS drivetrain) 2.7L Auto (Edge Sport drivetrain) It would, but wouldn't be practical IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98GMLS Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 With the Fusion getting the 2.7 TT, this thing will be quick. If the Edge sport can run 5.5 0-60, then this the Fusion might be in the high 4's. Faster than the SHO. It's about time the Fusion got a performance version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) Thinking that Ford will do the least disruptive changes, why would Ford bother with an EB 3.0 when the 2.7 EB is here now and the redesigned EB 3.5 is almost here? I can imagine 2.7 EB replacing 3.7 in the current MKZ and the Fusion ST getting the 2.3 EB and perhaps the Titanium gets a 2.3 option as well Edited September 5, 2015 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Thinking that Ford will do the least disruptive changes, why would Ford bother with an EB 3.0 when the 2.7 EB is here now and the redesigned EB 3.5 is almost here? I can imagine 2.7 EB replacing 3.7 in the current MKZ and the Fusion ST getting the 2.3 EB and perhaps the Titanium gets a 2.3 option as well Sounds reasonable and realistic. Just from a NA perspective, if we can't have the EB15 in the Focus, it doesn't look good to have the EB23 as an option for the TI. Just my HO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Didn't Ford say some time ago that the EB V6's would be Lincoln only? Or did they see how power wise the competition is stepping up and now going back on that and throwing in EB V6s for sport models on Fords? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 (edited) Sounds reasonable and realistic. Just from a NA perspective, if we can't have the EB15 in the Focus, it doesn't look good to have the EB23 as an option for the TI. Just my HO The ROW Focus a1.5 EB is around 150 hp so maybe FNA is waiting for the 1.2 EB with similar power but better economy? Edited September 6, 2015 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 (edited) Didn't Ford say some time ago that the EB V6's would be Lincoln only? Or did they see how power wise the competition is stepping up and now going back on that and throwing in EB V6s for sport models on Fords? I think that was before we saw the 2.7 EB and the impact it's having on buyers. The capacity is jsut enough to be above an I-4 EB while being even smoother. EB V6 is now in Edge and Explorer, I know they're Utilities but the pulling power of that little 2.7 and the 3.5 engine is fantastic.. Edited September 6, 2015 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Didn't Ford say some time ago that the EB V6's would be Lincoln only? Or did they see how power wise the competition is stepping up and now going back on that and throwing in EB V6s for sport models on Fords? Only the 3.0EB is for Lincoln only AFAIK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Didn't Ford say some time ago that the EB V6's would be Lincoln only? Or did they see how power wise the competition is stepping up and now going back on that and throwing in EB V6s for sport models on Fords? F150, Taurus SHO and Explorer had the 3.5L EB for many years now. Edge and F150 get the 2.7L EB for 2015. So I don't think so. Only thing I heard was what fuzzy said - the 3.0L EB would be Lincoln only but I'm not sure that will be true for long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 F150, Taurus SHO and Explorer had the 3.5L EB for many years now. Edge and F150 get the 2.7L EB for 2015. So I don't think so. Only thing I heard was what fuzzy said - the 3.0L EB would be Lincoln only but I'm not sure that will be true for long. They mentioned Lincoln-exclusive powertrains years ago, but the EBs were always intended to be high-volume mills. Before the EB35 hit the roads, Ford was talking about the EB engine family comprising a very large percentage of Ford's engine production (over half, IIRC), which couldn't happen if they were to be exclusive to Lincoln. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Why would Only the 3.0EB is for Lincoln only AFAIK. Is there any confirmation that this engine actually exists? it doesn't sound right when there's 2.7 EB and a new 3.5 EB on the way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 The 3.0 is going in the Continental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 F150, Taurus SHO and Explorer had the 3.5L EB for many years now. Edge and F150 get the 2.7L EB for 2015. So I don't think so. Only thing I heard was what fuzzy said - the 3.0L EB would be Lincoln only but I'm not sure that will be true for long. I'm surprised the 3.7 wasn't boosted for use in Lincolns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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