silvrsvt Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 From what I see it is a Hyundai/Kia CUV or a Toyota Tacoma pickup. Hundai/Kia is selling on price...and the Tacoma is more or less a no show on the East Coast..I barely see Colorado's also. its all full Size pickups and SUV/CUVs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I think Focus and Fusion are down way more than the rest of the market. Can plug the numbers into a spreadsheet if you want... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Hundai/Kia is selling on price...and the Tacoma is more or less a no show on the East Coast..I barely see Colorado's also. its all full Size pickups and SUV/CUVs Kia dealer by me is still advertising buy one get one for most models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Fusion projects to be down roughly 46% from 2 years ago. Are you suggesting that the car market overall is down 46% the last 2 years. Camry is only down about 17%. Accord is closer to Fusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Taco especially..its amaseing how much brand loyalty hyundai and kia have generated in last 15 years... In their defense, today's Hyundai and Kias are much better than their predacessors. However, it amazes me how quickly people are willing to forgive and forget the junk they were putting out. It seems like they are a lot more forgiving to them than the domestics for past transgressions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 In their defense, today's Hyundai and Kias are much better than their predacessors. However, it amazes me how quickly people are willing to forgive and forget the junk they were putting out. It seems like they are a lot more forgiving to them than the domestics for past transgressions. I would assume most current Hyundai/Kia owners did not previously own one of those earlier pieces of junk so there is nothing for them to forget. Whereas Ford and GM and Chrysler have tens if not hundreds of millions of previous owners who had terrible ownership experiences. That's the downside of having huge market share for so long. If you screw up you affect a lot of people. The only people I see who still have that opinion of Ford and GM at least are those who had a terrible Detroit vehicle back in the 80s or 90s and who switched to Honda or Toyota and have never looked at any of the current products from Ford or GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Hundai/Kia is selling on price...and the Tacoma is more or less a no show on the East Coast..I barely see Colorado's also. its all full Size pickups and SUV/CUVs Taco's aren't that big in the norther plains either. Doesn't help when it's 100+ miles between dealers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Fusion projects to be down roughly 46% from 2 years ago. Are you suggesting that the car market overall is down 46% the last 2 years. Camry is only down about 17%. Accord is closer to Fusion. Toyota is also on a much more aggressive update schedule for the Camry than Ford is with the Fusion. That's going to play a big part in why those numbers are the way they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Toyota is also on a much more aggressive update schedule for the Camry than Ford is with the Fusion. That's going to play a big part in why those numbers are the way they are. I think that's his point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Fusion projects to be down roughly 46% from 2 years ago. Are you suggesting that the car market overall is down 46% the last 2 years. Camry is only down about 17%. Accord is closer to Fusion. It is surprising to see the Accord down that much as well, as it is a good car. There clearly are factors that have nothing to do with these cars affecting the sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 It is surprising to see the Accord down that much as well, as it is a good car. There clearly are factors that have nothing to do with these cars affecting the sales. Accord is older in the market and should start to pickup when the 2018 starts production with the new style. Also Honda could switch people to the CRV faster than Toyota could do with the RAV4. That really holds true for the 2017 CRV it is a great vehicle. Being Honda loyal and walk into a dealership you see the old Accord of the new CRV, most walk out with the CRV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKNSLS Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 In their defense, today's Hyundai and Kias are much better than their predacessors. However, it amazes me how quickly people are willing to forgive and forget the junk they were putting out. It seems like they are a lot more forgiving to them than the domestics for past transgressions. Did you just read the thread on "Lawsuits" for Ford transmissions? I would think you would want Ford buyers to be "forgiving " as well...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) Interesting to note just how close the Ford and GMcompact, mid size and sports car sales are: Focus...........17,244 (17,455) (-1.2%) Cruze...........17,120 (16,671) (+2.7%) Fusion...........21,603 (24,589) (-12.1%) Malibu...........20,718 (24,202) (-14.4%) Mustang...........7,895 (10,327) (-23.5%) Camaro............7,841 (5,827) (+34.6%) considering that the GM products are much newer, I think Ford has cause to be optimistic about the coming upgrades with its vehicles. In the wash up, these products don't generate anywhere near the massive profits of F Series and Ford's Utilities but that shouldn't be reason to allow those cars to drift and become less desirable to buyers.... Edited June 1, 2017 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKNSLS Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) I would assume most current Hyundai/Kia owners did not previously own one of those earlier pieces of junk so there is nothing for them to forget. Whereas Ford and GM and Chrysler have tens if not hundreds of millions of previous owners who had terrible ownership experiences. That's the downside of having huge market share for so long. If you screw up you affect a lot of people. The only people I see who still have that opinion of Ford and GM at least are those who had a terrible Detroit vehicle back in the 80s or 90s and who switched to Honda or Toyota and have never looked at any of the current products from Ford or GM. I just purchased a brand-new 2017 Hyundai Santa Fe Limited (the long wheel base version) and it was thousand of dollars cheaper than anything from Ford or GM. Just as a point of interest my wife and I would be considered a "higher income" customer. However-we are retired and are looking to make out retirement savings last. I have owned the vehicle for a month now and can't find anything negative to say at this point. We have owned Fords, GM pickups, and Subaru Legacy, and Honda Accords. We wanted something a little bigger to cart the grand kids around in. BTW-our last car being the Subaru and the quality of the car was abysmal. Edited June 1, 2017 by CKNSLS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 In the grand scheme of things Ford's products aren't "that" old....we aren't talking about the 2000 Taraus that was basically warmed over 1996 model with new sheetmetal that barely changed (or worse decontented) till 2006. The current Taurus might be getting like that, but most other products are going to be replaced with 3-4 years from now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 In the grand scheme of things Ford's products aren't "that" old....we aren't talking about the 2000 Taraus that was basically warmed over 1996 model with new sheetmetal that barely changed (or worse decontented) till 2006. The current Taurus might be getting like that, but most other products are going to be replaced with 3-4 years from now. The C1 Focus dates all the way back to 2003, the Kuga / Escape is a branch off that. CD4 Fusion dates back to 2008 EUCD Mondeo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 More good news: F-Series...............76,027 (67,412) (+12.8%) Expedition............ .5,758 (5,057) (-13.9%) Navigator...................826 (851) (-2.9%) Total........................6,584 Total Ford Truck and BOF SUV = 82,611 Silverado............ .43,804 (45,035) (-13.0%) Sierra ................ .16,200 (17,642) (-8.2%) Total.....................60,004 Tahoe.....................6,567 (7,430) (-11.6%) Suburban ..............3,946 (3,997) (-1.3%) Yukon.....................2,857 (3,757) (-23.8%) Yukon XL................2,612 (2,384) (+9.6%) Escalade ...............2,202 (1,856) (-18.7%) Escalade ESV.......1,344 (1,087) (+23.6%) Total......................12,961 Colorado...............9,091 (9,196) (-1.1%) Canyon ................2,477 (3,361) (-26.3%) Total.....................11,568 Total GM Truck and BOF SUV = 84,551 So with all BOFs compared, Ford is less than 2,000 units behind.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 The C1 Focus dates all the way back to 2003, the Kuga / Escape is a branch off that. CD4 Fusion dates back to 2008 EUCD Mondeo. Doesn't EUCD also have a lot in common with C1 as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 (edited) Sadly it looks like fleet dumping resumed last month at Ford to get the 2.2% sales increase. Over one third of sales! It's like a drug addict that relapsed. Edited June 2, 2017 by rperez817 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Sadly it looks like fleet dumping resumed last month at Ford to get the 2.2% sales increase. Over one third of sales! It's like a drug addict that relapsed. oh my god for the last time ITS NOT A GODDAMN FLEET DUMP 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Depends how one would define "fleet dump" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 (edited) Sadly it looks like fleet dumping resumed last month at Ford to get the 2.2% sales increase. Over one third of sales! It's like a drug addict that relapsed. You really don't know what Feet dumping is. Building to commercial fleet customer orders is not dumping, last month seems to have a lot of those orders missed in April. Fleet %......May 2017 (May 2016) Rental.............15.7% (15.5%) Commercial....12.4% (12.1%) Government.....6.3% (6.1%) Total...............34.4% (33.7%) Edited June 2, 2017 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 You really don't know what Feet dumping is. Building to commercial fleet customer orders is not dumping, last month seems to have a lot of those orders missed in April. Fleet %......May 2017 (May 2016) Rental.............15.7% (15.5%) Commercial....12.4% (12.1%) Government.....6.3% (6.1%) Total...............34.4% (33.7%) ...and those percentages are pretty flat compared to last year. I'm curious, does anyone know which vehicles tend to be sold most to rental companies from Ford? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spotdog14 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 No doubt..completly on board with marketing failure to women..but the caveat here is women are just as much steering purchase towards suv's and bigger trucks on the idea of those being inherently safer to drive..ford hasent completly jumped the shark here but room to improve especially at the dealership sales level...women dread dealing for car purchase...foreign guys seem to be much better at perseption than domestics The last Ford vehicles I specifically remember being advertised toward women are, Mercury Cougar, Mercury Milan and the Ford Edge recently. On that same note, my wife drives an F-150 not really because of the advertising campaign. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailhiker Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 I guess rperez817 would rather have companies buy GM or RAM products for their work trucks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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