K270 Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Whats all this talk about the Maverick? What did I miss and please point me in the right direction for this Maverick info. Thanks in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKX1960 Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Thats exhibit A. The fact that they didnt change that in the 2015 refresh says volumes. This not only impacts the Focus. People hear about this and believe no Ford is any good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Whats all this talk about the Maverick? What did I miss and please point me in the right direction for this Maverick info. Thanks in advance! BORG Assimilator seems to think thats what the Baby Bronco is going to be called based on something an insider source told him. I guess were just rolling with it for now since nobody seems to have a problem with it or evidence saying otherwise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92merc Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Did I miss an article somewhere? Where does it say that China will be adding 25% to a Chinese made Focus to be shipped here? Or the US putting a tariff on Chinese cars? If that's the case, the Buick Envision is doomed as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Did I miss an article somewhere? Where does it say that China will be adding 25% to a Chinese made Focus to be shipped here? Or the US putting a tariff on Chinese cars? If that's the case, the Buick Envision is doomed as well. US cars will be going to 50% imported to China, and 25% for the ones they send here. Navigator, Continental and MKC would be impacted. MKC is the best selling Lincoln in China. If this is signed Focus will end up coming from Europe in the short term where there is only a 2.5%. Put the next gen Fusion/mondeo in oakville with world wide exports from there and do Focus and utility in Mexico. That or they just scrap cars all together in the US market other than the Mustang. There is no upside to this. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-03/tariffs-seek-to-end-chinese-car-imports-before-they-really-start 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) Could Ford just simply import Focus and Mondeo from Europe and call it job done? Not their preferred choice for sure but that would free up a ton of manufacturing space for more Utilities and trucks. Edited April 5, 2018 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Could Ford just simply import Focus and Mondeo from Europe and call it job done? Not their preferred choice for sure but that would free up a ton of manufacturing space for more Utilities and trucks. I dont think they have enough available capacity in Europe to pull that off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 I would not count on those Tariffs ever happening. It is bluster by both sides. US wants better trade balance and China wants to resist it....they'll meet somewhere in the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Who cares..ford is a truck, suv company from here on out....its all groovy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 I would not count on those Tariffs ever happening. It is bluster by both sides. US wants better trade balance and China wants to resist it....they'll meet somewhere in the middle. Exactly...don't take anything so literally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 I dont think they have enough available capacity in Europe to pull that off. Focus is made in the Valencia mega plant where they build up to six other models, I know this could all be political bluster but maybe Ford has a drop dead commit date where they need to know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 I know that gas station. Fuck that gas station I don't know why, but I about spit my coffee out at that comment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 I dont think they have enough available capacity in Europe to pull that off. Just swap the destination from the two plants. China production goes to Europe and Europe production comes to US. I'm sure it's not that easy, but possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Thats exhibit A. The fact that they didnt change that in the 2015 refresh says volumes. Yeah, that was a ridiculous move. It'd have been one thing if they didn't have something available and the Euro and US ones were both stuck with the DCT, but Europe getting a new tranny and us not is/was pathetic. I wonder if this China situation would make reviving that Mexican plant that was abandoned a viable solution? I still think they should've finished it.......how long have we been talking about Ford being capacity constrained basically across the board/lineup? That tight capacity was ok when the market was down, but they're spinning their wheels it seems with a healthier market/aren't able to take advantage of it. Whats all this talk about the Maverick? What did I miss and please point me in the right direction for this Maverick info. Thanks in advance! As fuzzy said, Maverick is the name we've temporarily given the baby Bronco. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Could Ford just simply import Focus and Mondeo from Europe and call it job done? Not their preferred choice for sure but that would free up a ton of manufacturing space for more Utilities and trucks. No capacity and they are different configurations. The US and Chinese Focus are unique to the European Focus in a number of ways, sedans being one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZanatWork Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Here's the brutal truth about the CUV market:for many drivers, most of whom aren't actual car enthusiasts, the availability of CUVs that offer better visibility and more interior space than comparably-equipped sedans has led to a logical embrace of the upright blobs that are dominating sales. I don't specifically blame them, because they're just looking for a wheeled conveyance that fits their lives rather than wanting the vehicle to be a real part of their lives.Big coupes are a pain to park, nowadays. Hell, even with the F-series into its 4th decade of sales dominance, too many parking lots seem to be painting their spaces assuming that everyone is switching to Minis, Fiestas, and Fits.Performance cars and "real" trucks/SUVs demand a certain level of involvement, and the typical Escape/Edge/Highlander/CR-V buyers aren't wired that way...any more than the Camry addicts were. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grbeck Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Here's the brutal truth about the CUV market: for many drivers, most of whom aren't actual car enthusiasts, the availability of CUVs that offer better visibility and more interior space than comparably-equipped sedans has led to a logical embrace of the upright blobs that are dominating sales. I don't specifically blame them, because they're just looking for a wheeled conveyance that fits their lives rather than wanting the vehicle to be a real part of their lives. Big coupes are a pain to park, nowadays. Hell, even with the F-series into its 4th decade of sales dominance, too many parking lots seem to be painting their spaces assuming that everyone is switching to Minis, Fiestas, and Fits. Performance cars and "real" trucks/SUVs demand a certain level of involvement, and the typical Escape/Edge/Highlander/CR-V buyers aren't wired that way...any more than the Camry addicts were. This is nothing new. Does anyone believe that people buying a Chevrolet Impala or Ford Galaxie in the 1960s were demanding much in the way of "involvement" when driving their vehicles? Most people were buying their cars with mild-mannered V-8s, power steering and automatic transmission. All of those Super Sports, 7-Litres, etc., that pop up at today's auto shows were the exception, not the rule. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Just swap the destination from the two plants. China production goes to Europe and Europe production comes to US. I'm sure it's not that easy, but possible. Thats incredibly convoluted and expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Here's the brutal truth about the CUV market: for many drivers, most of whom aren't actual car enthusiasts, the availability of CUVs that offer better visibility and more interior space than comparably-equipped sedans has led to a logical embrace of the upright blobs that are dominating sales. I don't specifically blame them, because they're just looking for a wheeled conveyance that fits their lives rather than wanting the vehicle to be a real part of their lives. Big coupes are a pain to park, nowadays. Hell, even with the F-series into its 4th decade of sales dominance, too many parking lots seem to be painting their spaces assuming that everyone is switching to Minis, Fiestas, and Fits. Performance cars and "real" trucks/SUVs demand a certain level of involvement, and the typical Escape/Edge/Highlander/CR-V buyers aren't wired that way...any more than the Camry addicts were. The only real “involvement” required is if you’re driving on a track or rock crawling. Driving on the street is pretty much the same whether it’s a Mustang, Edge, Expedition or Super Duty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 The only real “involvement” required is if you’re driving on a track or rock crawling. Driving on the street is pretty much the same whether it’s a Mustang, Edge, Expedition or Super Duty. If you're driving a Super Duty (or Expedition), the "involvement" comes in trying to find a parking spot to fit it... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Thats incredibly convoluted and expensive. Cheaper than a 25% tariff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 The only real “involvement” required is if you’re driving on a track or rock crawling. Driving on the street is pretty much the same whether it’s a Mustang, Edge, Expedition or Super Duty. But yet it seems like its rocket science for the police to go from a RWD to FWD then back to RWD or AWD....hmmmm 99% of the police will never be involved in a high speed chase either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 If you're driving a Super Duty (or Expedition), the "involvement" comes in trying to find a parking spot to fit it... I'm still learning how to park my supercab F150..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Cheaper than a 25% tariff? Figuring in shipping and manufacturing costs, I tend to believe they are about the same in cost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Here's the brutal truth about the CUV market: for many drivers, most of whom aren't actual car enthusiasts, the availability of CUVs that offer better visibility and more interior space than comparably-equipped sedans has led to a logical embrace of the upright blobs that are dominating sales. I don't specifically blame them, because they're just looking for a wheeled conveyance that fits their lives rather than wanting the vehicle to be a real part of their lives. Big coupes are a pain to park, nowadays. Hell, even with the F-series into its 4th decade of sales dominance, too many parking lots seem to be painting their spaces assuming that everyone is switching to Minis, Fiestas, and Fits. Performance cars and "real" trucks/SUVs demand a certain level of involvement, and the typical Escape/Edge/Highlander/CR-V buyers aren't wired that way...any more than the Camry addicts were. Before crossovers the same thing was true of the overwhelming majority of cars and minivans and even SUVs. We owned a 93 and 97 Explorer, a 99 Expedition and a 2003 Aviator before moving to an Edge in 2008. There was nothing we ever did in any of those "true SUVs" that we couldn't do just as well if not better in the Edge. A crossover gave a better ride and fuel economy than SUVs while maintaining the high seating position and cargo capacity. Nothing has changed about the way people drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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