jfischetti Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 I've been watching A LOT of videos on the Aviator as i watch my built car sit on the lot in Chicago everyday. I've noticed some questionable things in those videos, but none as egregious as this build quality issue. How can they let these two panels leave the factory this unaligned? This can be noticed in a dealer-made video at 1:14. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheeling Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 That is a pity. There is also a video sometimes ago showing a speaker cover falling off the ceiling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcparker2 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Oh I sat in one at my local dealer and the glasses holder wouldn't close there were multiple misaligned body panels. Not as bad as what you've shown above but just not what I'm looking for in a $70k vehicle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolScoop Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Kind of amazing the door fits that flush with even gap being that far out of alignment... even more surprising is the door latch has that much adjustment range, LOL!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 That's likely a preproduction unit, which sometimes have issues like that. That's why that phase of production exists, to fix those issues. There is a tight range of tolerances for panel fits, I have 100% confidence that would have been addressed before full production began. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: That's likely a preproduction unit, which sometimes have issues like that. That's why that phase of production exists, to fix those issues. There is a tight range of tolerances for panel fits, I have 100% confidence that would have been addressed before full production began. Say's the guy who's damn happy he didn't hang those doors,,,,, HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 minute ago, HotRunrGuy said: Say's the guy who's damn happy he didn't hang those doors,,,,, HRG Lol I can't remember the last time I've actually worked on my team because I keep getting loaned out to metal finish every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfischetti Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Wheeling said: That is a pity. There is also a video sometimes ago showing a speaker cover falling off the ceiling. I have noticed those roof liner grilles not fitting well in videos, but I ordered the 14-speaker system, so I don't have to worry about that issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustangchief Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 41 minutes ago, jfischetti said: I have noticed those roof liner grilles not fitting well in videos, but I ordered the 14-speaker system, so I don't have to worry about that issue. The early build I had only had the issue with the sunglass case, the alignment and other issues were moot. I would imagine QC catches most, but do realize these go through some serious torque on carriers and trains. That's why the dealer is supposed to fix these issues during PDI. All 28 grills were in place and flush.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellanca Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 If mine comes with imperfections I’ll be pissed, but I’m sure everything has been sorted out by now. My Continental BL has to be a one of one, though, the center console(I have the Chalet) is black and it should be white. Not sure how that made it past QC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcoBoost Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) When I picked up my current MKZ, I actually had to 'click' 5 different interior parts/panels into position. I know that the MKZ is built in Mexico and the Aviator should have a better quality control, but still...I thought I was driving a BL?? Edited August 26, 2019 by EcoBoost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor1234 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 I’ve been keenly looking at the videos as well. Common among most posted to date are ill-fitting roof speaker grilles and weird ‘tufting’ on the outer bolster of the drivers seat. Also on the Autovlog review there was just a terrible upper interior b-pillar fit. Egregiously bad! I’m nervous as well as my second 2016 MKX, a custom order, came with a half-dozen glaring fit/finish issues. $70,000 vehicle to boot. Still leaks motor oil! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcoBoost Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Professor1234 said: I’ve been keenly looking at the videos as well. Common among most posted to date are ill-fitting roof speaker grilles and weird ‘tufting’ on the outer bolster of the drivers seat. Also on the Autovlog review there was just a terrible upper interior b-pillar fit. Hhaha..funny you mention that. If you are referring to a youtube-video, I was actually the one commenting on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredck Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Anyone having second thoughts based on this article? Mysterious problems disrupt delivery of 2020 Ford Explorer, Lincoln Aviator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolScoop Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 On 8/26/2019 at 5:44 PM, EcoBoost said: When I picked up my current MKZ, I actually had to 'click' 5 different interior parts/panels into position. I know that the MKZ is built in Mexico and the Aviator should have a better quality control, but still...I thought I was driving a BL?? This is just an observation and not an opinion... I love Honda quality when it comes to powersports and outdoor power equipment and I've had two Honda cars in the past. But I'm a Ford guy who's had a bunch of them over there years and with five currently in the stable. That said, our 2010 Fusion Hybrid made in Mexico had the best build quality inside and out of any vehicle we've ever owned. Zero build issues... better than "Japanese" build quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 1 hour ago, alfredck said: Anyone having second thoughts based on this article? Mysterious problems disrupt delivery of 2020 Ford Explorer, Lincoln Aviator I have second thoughts ABOUT the article, being in the Detroit Free-loader Press Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheeling Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 All this negative publicity will certainly have some bad effect on potential buyers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ididntdoit Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, twintornados said: I have second thoughts ABOUT the article, being in the Detroit Free-loader Press the article is actually being generous about the issues, there are issues not mysterious just stubborn management don't listen to veteran employees, we called out the issues in May they ignored until it became a headline. 6 month retooling done in 30 days new equipment into a 100 yr old plant, low moral during contract negotiations, I can provide a book of excuses as to way the quality isn't there. A nice new shinny contract will do wonders to moral and help put the quality back into the products we build. Delaying and extending only gives workers more time to stew in the headlines of scandals dragging moral down even further along with the quality of the product. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 46 minutes ago, twintornados said: I have second thoughts ABOUT the article, being in the Detroit Free-loader Press It was written by Free Press newcomer, Phoebe Wall Howard, who admitted in her first column she knows nothing about cars or the industry. I'm surprised at her naiveté. She seems shocked that car manufacturers often have start-up problems. Not to excuse Ford, but stuff like this does happen, Witness last year's difficult launch of the new Ram. It was rumored it cost FCA over $300 million to address launch quality issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, Wheeling said: All this negative publicity will certainly have some bad effect on potential buyers. 99.9% of the people in this country have no idea of any of this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheeling Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 https://www.autoblog.com/2019/09/16/2020-ford-explorer-lincoln-aviator-quality-control-issues/ Getting more and more bad publicity. This is a disaster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 In 6 months buyers won't remember or care. Happened with the 2013 Fusion/MKZ. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfischetti Posted September 16, 2019 Author Share Posted September 16, 2019 On 8/26/2019 at 4:29 PM, Bellanca said: If mine comes with imperfections I’ll be pissed, but I’m sure everything has been sorted out by now. My Continental BL has to be a one of one, though, the center console(I have the Chalet) is black and it should be white. Not sure how that made it past QC. Oh man @Bellanca, came across this post from a few weeks ago. Seems like unfortunate foreshadowing re: your paint needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len_A Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 On 9/14/2019 at 12:40 PM, mackinaw said: It was written by Free Press newcomer, Phoebe Wall Howard, who admitted in her first column she knows nothing about cars or the industry. I'm surprised at her naiveté. She seems shocked that car manufacturers often have start-up problems. Not to excuse Ford, but stuff like this does happen, Witness last year's difficult launch of the new Ram. It was rumored it cost FCA over $300 million to address launch quality issues. I was exchanging emails all day Friday, and then over the weekend, with Ms. Howard. She has a lot of sources inside Ford that are anonymously feeding her information. She's not that naive - it isn't just that there are new model birthing pains. It's Ford having so many repairs, that CAP can't handle them - physically running out of space. Even I'm shocked at how many problems they're having with the Explorer and Aviator. I've had three products, over the years, built at CAP, two of them first year models, and even with first model year blues, it was nothing like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellanca Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 People won’t remember but I guarantee it will turn off some prospective buyers; like I said once mine is finally ready now that it has to be repainted if there’s a single blemish I’m not taking it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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