Family Cook Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Broncofan7 said: Expedition ST or Expedition Raptor with the HO Ecoboost could be great competition... I think that this would be a great idea. The question is: Would they sell enough to justify building it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan7 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, William S said: I think that this would be a great idea. The question is: Would they sell enough to justify building it? I don't know honestly. For an ST, much of that work is done in the Navigator, but could cannibalize the Navigator as well. As for a Raptor, while I wish that would happen, I doubt it is worth the cost. A full-size Bronco is probably more likely than an Expedition Raptor at this point lol. ST is more likely imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Expedition ST with Powerboost may be feasible but I suspect the top dog model in the next gen will be full EV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted August 28, 2020 Author Share Posted August 28, 2020 Some more teases: Word is Jeep will pull a Lincoln and show this in concept form where 90% of the vehicle will be production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 I was going to say those mirrors make me think it'll be a "preview". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 https://www.motor1.com/news/442218/jeep-grand-wagoneer-concept-2022/ well it’s been revealed. Honestly, I thought it would look better. Weird proportions and and chrome strips everywhere. Front looks just like other jeeps. the interior looks pretty awesome though. Since this is a “concept”, I don’t know how much will carry over, but it’s probably one of the best interiors I’ve seen from FCA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Grand Wagoneer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailhiker Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Not even close to what I was hoping for. Car interior and a bland front and profile. Nothing says Grand about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTL2017 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Not that impressed. I like the interior but it’s not a show stopper. If this is supposed to compete with the other 100 grand SUVs, good luck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, T-dubz said: well it’s been revealed. Honestly, I thought it would look better. Weird proportions and and chrome strips everywhere. Front looks just like other jeeps. the interior looks pretty awesome though. Since this is a “concept”, I don’t know how much will carry over, but it’s probably one of the best interiors I’ve seen from FCA. The interior is the best part...the styling looks like they took a Dodge/Ram SUV and turned it into a Jeep and didn't change the sheetmetal enough. The rear end looks "weak" like the tailights are too small and the headlights and grill share the same issues IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 The pillars should be black to go along with the roof. It kinda reminds me of a grand Cherokee mixed with a Nissan Xterra that grew too big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dlcorbett Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Yea the windows arent well integrated, the head/tailights are too slim with no counterbalance from the grille or rear accent. Also, the missing rear spoiler is irritating and throws the rear way off. Still looks better than the gms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Remember that just like the Koreans, FCA doesn’t have a luxury brand so they can put in luxury interiors without overlapping other products. Another tweener - like putting the Aviator interior on an Explorer XLT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 I do like the interior and the front. The sides and back don’t work for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 The visual massing of the DLO is completely off and the rear end treatment is completely mis-scaled. The interior is great, but I'm surprised how badly they missed the mark on the exterior. It appears they over-thought it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTL2017 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 While I’m not the biggest fan of the grand Wagoneer, the MCA Expedition and Navigator need to impress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Interior is interesting. Am I the only one who sees Navigator exterior styling cues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Nice front end, nice interior. Rear 3/4 view looks awkward to me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70 Stang Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 The greenhouse and the rest of the car look like they are from two different vehicles. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 2 hours ago, akirby said: FCA doesn’t have a luxury brand so they can put in luxury interiors without overlapping other products. FCA - Alfa, Maserati Hyundai - Genesis This will do really well in the Expedition/Tahoe/Yukon market and doing very well especially with the cross shopping of the Denali line. Escalade and Navigator shoppers are probably not going to be swayed as much as there is a badge involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted September 3, 2020 Author Share Posted September 3, 2020 (edited) The more I look at it, the more I like it. I think the way the windows go into the black roof (which may or not be a production item) throws off the height a bit (and having no black-out in between the windows). I really think this is one of those vehicles that will need to be seen in person to truly understand what it looks like. If it has presence in person (remember this is Ram-sized) it may be a winner. The size is hard to gauge in photos because it shares a resemblance to smaller Jeeps, but to give an indication, those wheels are 24". Edit: and watching the video above with b-roll in real-life roads makes it look a bit better too. Edited September 3, 2020 by Anthony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddysystem Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 I'd take it over a Tahoe/Yukon. The interior is nice but I need to see how the rear cargo area lies down, hopefully flat. The exterior is okay, not great. I don't like the kink in the rear glass. Just leave it flat. Rear is pretty good. The front end of the original (and the woodgrain) had great presence, this could use a little more inspiration from it. Just not enough. Do I like it better than an Expy? Maybe. I still can't get past the Expedition tail lights and bloated rear end. It needs to look slimmer. The Wagoneer looks slimmer for it's real size. Show me less glitzy Wagoneer with a burgundy red interior, white exterior or a dark blue or green one with tan interior 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Looks huge (I know that's the point) Wagoneer starting price is low $60k according to FCA. Grand Wagoneer can top $100k. So they are covering the price point of Expedition and Navigator with a single vehicle. Or Tahoe to Escalade price point. However you prefer your reference points. Don't forget, in another 24 months or so, we are also supposed to get a new BOF Durango that will probably start at even lower MSRP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 1 hour ago, jasonj80 said: FCA - Alfa, Maserati Hyundai - Genesis This will do really well in the Expedition/Tahoe/Yukon market and doing very well especially with the cross shopping of the Denali line. Escalade and Navigator shoppers are probably not going to be swayed as much as there is a badge involved. But none of those brands have a full sized 3 row SUV yet, which was the point. There is no internal competition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 37 minutes ago, buddysystem said: I'd take it over a Tahoe/Yukon. The interior is nice but I need to see how the rear cargo area lies down, hopefully flat. The exterior is okay, not great. I don't like the kink in the rear glass. Just leave it flat. Rear is pretty good. The front end of the original (and the woodgrain) had great presence, this could use a little more inspiration from it. Just not enough. Do I like it better than an Expy? Maybe. I still can't get past the Expedition tail lights and bloated rear end. It needs to look slimmer. The Wagoneer looks slimmer for it's real size. Show me less glitzy Wagoneer with a burgundy red interior, white exterior or a dark blue or green one with tan interior I'd take almost anything over a Yuhoe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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