sullynd Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Could they build a C product at Cuautitlán? Mach-E is relatively low volume to have its own plant, right? (Even if they add a Lincoln derivative). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 18 minutes ago, akirby said: Any chance they import it? Maybe... Transit Connect sells roughly 50k a year so that's likely the bare minimum volume Ford will need to hit in the US to justify the import. If they think they can move closer to 100k, they are better off building it in North America. Let say Maverick and Fusion combined is 150k... I think that would make sense to build both in Hermosillo. Add Bronco Sport to the mix and you have pretty high utilization without the need add incentive to maintain volume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) Many don't like this Ford styling, but so many love this - Edited September 28, 2020 by Kev-Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 4 hours ago, bzcat said: Maybe... Transit Connect sells roughly 50k a year so that's likely the bare minimum volume Ford will need to hit in the US to justify the import. If they think they can move closer to 100k, they are better off building it in North America. Let say Maverick and Fusion combined is 150k... I think that would make sense to build both in Hermosillo. Add Bronco Sport to the mix and you have pretty high utilization without the need add incentive to maintain volume. So is the Bronco Sport only going to be sold in North America along with the Maverick, or is it going to Central and South America also? Seems to me Hermosillo produced up to 350,000+ Fusions and MKZ's when Ford liked sedans. Hermosillo also has s lot of experience building hybrids and plugins. What a waste if neither gets hybrid model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Fusion is probably going to be available as hybrid and/or PHEV. Don't see why it wouldn't. Bronco Sport will be sold outside North America eventually. Maverick is a lock for South America. Transit Connect may still happen. I see 300k C2 vehicles at Hermosillo if not more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 11 hours ago, Oacjay98 said: More like Mexico or Flatrock. Since OAC is gonna be electric only unless this thing will be electric which I doubt. I would hope Flat Rock, especially if they plan on keeping it open. Really, it's the only thing that would fit since Ford went "all SUVs all the time". The SUVs are all too tall to fit in the assembly line according to many Ford employees on the forum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 4 hours ago, Kev-Mo said: Many don't like this Ford styling, but so many love this - Well, I guess I'm green, slapping the sides of my head with my tongue hanging out, but yes, I do like the Mazda CX5 styling better than the Ford entry in the segment... That being said, I like the Fusion Active Evos whatever better than both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZanatWork Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 As an unabashed wagon fan, and Flex fan, I'm all for that rendering being accurate. I was just fine with my Flex's "normal" liftover height when I was lugging amps and other music gear in and out of it, and its AWD was great for the often-slimy roads of the Northwest. Plus, in a vehicle that I don't need to have off-road capability, I enjoy the lower center of gravity that I wouldn't have in an Explorer or similar CUV/SUV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfan Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 16 hours ago, sullynd said: Could they build a C product at Cuautitlán? Mach-E is relatively low volume to have its own plant, right? (Even if they add a Lincoln derivative). Cuautitlan is a very small assembly plant- probably the smallest plant they have in NA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfan Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 16 hours ago, bzcat said: Maybe... Transit Connect sells roughly 50k a year so that's likely the bare minimum volume Ford will need to hit in the US to justify the import. If they think they can move closer to 100k, they are better off building it in North America. Let say Maverick and Fusion combined is 150k... I think that would make sense to build both in Hermosillo. Add Bronco Sport to the mix and you have pretty high utilization without the need add incentive to maintain volume. Adding the Fusion Active along with the Bronco Sport and Maverick and possible the Transit Connect would be a bit too much for the plant without adding a new body shop. Hermillsilo is somewhat landlocked from what I understand. Flat Rock will have an open body shop once Continental ends production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESP08 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 19 hours ago, Anthony said: I'm done with that front-end style. It's nice, they should rock it until the Ford shield becomes the BMW kidney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESP08 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Kev-Mo said: Many don't like this Ford styling, but so many love this - The Ford in the 1st post is hands down better looking. The Mazda is styling confused. Edited September 29, 2020 by ESP08 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Footballfan said: Cuautitlan is a very small assembly plant- probably the smallest plant they have in NA. Going by this...Cuautitlan is 4.3 Million Sq Ft https://fordauthority.com/fmc/ford-motor-company-plants-facilities/ford-motor-company-mexico-plants-facilities/ford-motor-company-cuautitlan-plant-cuautitlan-mexico/ Hermosillo is much smaller? at 1.6 Million https://fordauthority.com/fmc/ford-motor-company-plants-facilities/ford-motor-company-mexico-plants-facilities/ford-motor-company-hermosillo-assembly-plant-hermosillo-mexico/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 2 hours ago, silvrsvt said: Going by this...Cuautitlan is 4.3 Million Sq Ft https://fordauthority.com/fmc/ford-motor-company-plants-facilities/ford-motor-company-mexico-plants-facilities/ford-motor-company-cuautitlan-plant-cuautitlan-mexico/ Hermosillo is much smaller? at 1.6 Million https://fordauthority.com/fmc/ford-motor-company-plants-facilities/ford-motor-company-mexico-plants-facilities/ford-motor-company-hermosillo-assembly-plant-hermosillo-mexico/ Cuactitlan has an integrated stamping plant. I don't know that Hermosillo does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 minute ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Cuactitlan has an integrated stamping plant. I don't know that Hermosillo does. I was doing a cursory look at Ford auto plants in NA, and Hermosillo is the smallest by far...with or without stamping plants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Didn't Ford used to build trucks at Cuautitlan a long time ago (before Fiesta)? I seem to recall Cuautitlan is capable of building a lot of vehicles and Ford had high hopes for Fiesta. It was supposed to supply both North and South America but the Mk6 Fiesta never gained traction in Brazil and Argentina and the sedan styling was so far off the mark that it basically flopped. As a result, Cuautitlan has been under utilized for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 hour ago, silvrsvt said: I was doing a cursory look at Ford auto plants in NA, and Hermosillo is the smallest by far...with or without stamping plants. Total floor space is a little misleading. For example, MAP is 4 separate buildings, all of which relatively small compared to the overall footprint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 10 minutes ago, bzcat said: Didn't Ford used to build trucks at Cuautitlan a long time ago (before Fiesta)? Ford Fiesta Ford Mustang Ford Crown Victoria Ford F-Series Ford Fiesta Ford Contour Mercury Mystique Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 hour ago, bzcat said: Didn't Ford used to build trucks at Cuautitlan a long time ago (before Fiesta)? I seem to recall Cuautitlan is capable of building a lot of vehicles and Ford had high hopes for Fiesta. It was supposed to supply both North and South America but the Mk6 Fiesta never gained traction in Brazil and Argentina and the sedan styling was so far off the mark that it basically flopped. As a result, Cuautitlan has been under utilized for a while. That's an understatement to be sure. Cuautitlan and Flat Rock are almost like ghost plants as Ford keeps shrinking. Oakville is also underutilized with only Edge being a high volume seller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 hour ago, FordBuyer said: That's an understatement to be sure. Cuautitlan and Flat Rock are almost like ghost plants as Ford keeps shrinking. Oakville is also underutilized with only Edge being a high volume seller. Happy to be proven wrong but I'm not convinced that MME will be a big seller beyond initial orders. Since Bronco reservations took off, Ford hasn't said all that much about MME ordering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, jpd80 said: Happy to be proven wrong but I'm not convinced that MME will be a big seller beyond initial orders. Since Bronco reservations took off, Ford hasn't said all that much about MME ordering. I'm skeptical also when you consider the premium price, limited range vs ICE, $2 gas, and a gas station on every corner. The Mach E is the future and Ford needs to be in it, but the question is how far in the future. Maybe 10 more years before there are charging stations on every corner. Also still dubious about cold weather states where you can go 6 weeks below freezing temps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 14 minutes ago, FordBuyer said: I'm skeptical also when you consider the premium price, limited range vs ICE, $2 gas, and a gas station on every corner. The Mach E is the future and Ford needs to be in it, but the question is how far in the future. Maybe 10 more years before there are charging stations on every corner. Also still dubious about cold weather states where you can go 6 weeks below freezing temps. Honestly, a good hybrid or PHEV is going to reach a lot more buyers, take concern away for fuel costs and most buyers are happy with a much less costly vehicle. My concern with BEVs is that they are being pitched at premium buyers even though Ford has said in the recent past that the cost of building BEVs is now approaching the costs of building a comparable ICE vehicle. They're trying to cash in on BEVs, not replace ICEs so there's that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfan Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 19 hours ago, silvrsvt said: Going by this...Cuautitlan is 4.3 Million Sq Ft https://fordauthority.com/fmc/ford-motor-company-plants-facilities/ford-motor-company-mexico-plants-facilities/ford-motor-company-cuautitlan-plant-cuautitlan-mexico/ Hermosillo is much smaller? at 1.6 Million https://fordauthority.com/fmc/ford-motor-company-plants-facilities/ford-motor-company-mexico-plants-facilities/ford-motor-company-hermosillo-assembly-plant-hermosillo-mexico/ I stand corrected. I was going by the employment numbers and according the Ford web site, Cuautitlan only has about 1,000 employees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 11 hours ago, jpd80 said: Happy to be proven wrong but I'm not convinced that MME will be a big seller beyond initial orders. Since Bronco reservations took off, Ford hasn't said all that much about MME ordering. Not much to talk about regarding the Mach-E until they actually start production, etc. and they start shipping vehicles to dealers. The real test will be the market reaction once the 2021 Mach-E is on the road, production capacity for the 2nd year, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 15 hours ago, jpd80 said: Since Bronco reservations took off, Ford hasn't said all that much about MME ordering. A statement could be inferred when Ford announced the lower prices for MME this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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