2025 Ford Expedition SSV Wants To Be The New Sheriff In Town

[Sherminator98]

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/12/2025-ford-expedition-ssv-wants-to-be-the-new-sheriff-in-town/

[rmc523]

For whatever reason, I don't see a lot of Expedition police vehicles - mostly Tahoes for this segment.

[ice-capades]

1 hour ago, rmc523 said:

For whatever reason, I don't see a lot of Expedition police vehicles - mostly Tahoes for this segment.

 

There aren't many municipal police departments that have a need for full-size police SUV's other than the larger size departments. 

[92merc]

I work at my state Capitol, where our State Highway Patrol is housed.  I've been noticing some of their Explorer PU being replaced with Tahoes.  Good to see Ford come in with something to compete.  I know fuel range is one of the reasons some LEO's in my state switched to the Tahoe.  They have a pretty large fuel tank compared to the Explorer.  In a rural setting of North Dakota, that is a big deal.

 

Our state patrol also has a few Ford SuperDuty crew cab's as well.  The bed is totally filled with a drawer type storage system.  Not sure what they have in there.  But I see them on the Interstate from time to time.

[ice-capades]

3 minutes ago, 92merc said:

I work at my state Capitol, where our State Highway Patrol is housed.  I've been noticing some of their Explorer PU being replaced with Tahoes.  Good to see Ford come in with something to compete.  I know fuel range is one of the reasons some LEO's in my state switched to the Tahoe.  They have a pretty large fuel tank compared to the Explorer.  In a rural setting of North Dakota, that is a big deal.

 

Apples vs. Oranges

[akirby]

2 hours ago, ice-capades said:

 

There aren't many municipal police departments that have a need for full-size police SUV's other than the larger size departments. 

My small town has had nothing but full sized trucks and SUVs ever since we moved here.  I think they just like all the extra room.

[rmc523]

3 hours ago, ice-capades said:

 

There aren't many municipal police departments that have a need for full-size police SUV's other than the larger size departments. 

 

I'm not saying for all units everywhere.  I'm saying for police units I see that are full sized SUVs, I see mostly Tahoes, not Expys.

 

And FWIW, Fort Lauderdale PD uses primarily Tahoes now.

[SoonerLS]

12 hours ago, ice-capades said:

 

There aren't many municipal police departments that have a need for full-size police SUV's other than the larger size departments. 

There are a heck of a lot of cop Tahoes around here. I couldn’t tell you the last time I saw a cop Expedition, despite the fact that this state is lousy with cop Explorers/PIUs. 

[ice-capades]

Appreciate the feedback about those that have a lot of full-size SUVs in police service in their areas... Tahoes or Expeditions. 

[ANTAUS]

My city went from Explorer's to Tahoes.. mainly because of price...Tahoes were about the same as an Explorers and easier to work on for the apparatus they have to had install in them.  And be able to jump a curb easily if need be.  The only thing they enjoyed about the Explorer's were the 3.0L engines power.

[danglin]

Here in Indiana, the State Police switched to Durangos after Chargers were no longer available. After engine issues and not much help from Stellantis, they purchased Tahoes.  Word from that is Troopers are not happy with how slow they are and the handling, so they may be looking at something else.  Only other option will be Fords, but from what I know they strongly prefer V8 engines and that is not even available in the F150...

[akirby]

18 minutes ago, danglin said:

Here in Indiana, the State Police switched to Durangos after Chargers were no longer available. After engine issues and not much help from Stellantis, they purchased Tahoes.  Word from that is Troopers are not happy with how slow they are and the handling, so they may be looking at something else.  Only other option will be Fords, but from what I know they strongly prefer V8 engines and that is not even available in the F150...

Troopers are quite different from local municipalities as far as high speed chases.

[twintornados]

What is that?!?! Oh...never mind...Mach E
 

Edited December 19, 2024 by twintornados

[blazerdude20]

Aren’t the expeditions capacity constrained due to super duty line?   Would make sense ford isn’t looking for many lower margin police spec units. Whereas GM has a dedicated plant to keep rolling 

[Sherminator98]

8 hours ago, blazerdude20 said:

Aren’t the expeditions capacity constrained due to super duty line?   Would make sense ford isn’t looking for many lower margin police spec units. Whereas GM has a dedicated plant to keep rolling 

 

That is ending once Oakville starts Super Duty production in the next year and half?

 

[rmc523]

10 hours ago, blazerdude20 said:

Aren’t the expeditions capacity constrained due to super duty line?   Would make sense ford isn’t looking for many lower margin police spec units. Whereas GM has a dedicated plant to keep rolling 

 

That's long been the thought - I guess we'll see how true that is whenever Oakville actually gets going.

[NLPRacing]

On 12/18/2024 at 9:49 AM, ice-capades said:

 

There aren't many municipal police departments that have a need for full-size police SUV's other than the larger size departments. 

 

There's mostly Tahoes here in North Texas, but that's probably because of them being built here in Arlington, Texas. 

[Joe771476]

There's a police cruiser upfitter near me and there must be 200 vehicles --99% Explorers -- waiting to be upfitted with radios, emergency lighting, sirens etc.. By the time they get to all of them, the vehicle is going to be a year old before it hits the streets!!

[Bob Rosadini]

On 12/19/2024 at 1:27 PM, danglin said:

Here in Indiana, the State Police switched to Durangos after Chargers were no longer available. After engine issues and not much help from Stellantis, they purchased Tahoes.  Word from that is Troopers are not happy with how slow they are and the handling, so they may be looking at something else.  Only other option will be Fords, but from what I know they strongly prefer V8 engines and that is not even available in the F150...

IMO you have identified the  reason for the Tahoe's success.  If Ford offered a V-8 in 150 or Expy they would do better.  And to take that one step further make that a 6.8/7.3.  I think the complexity of the Ecoboosts, as well as the Coyote scare some departments away vs the simplicity of the GM V-8's.

 

Again were talking about  Tahoe vs 150/Expy.  No doubt in most services the "new" Explorer does the job.

[Sherminator98]

34 minutes ago, Bob Rosadini said:

IMO you have identified the  reason for the Tahoe's success.  If Ford offered a V-8 in 150 or Expy they would do better.  And to take that one step further make that a 6.8/7.3.  I think the complexity of the Ecoboosts, as well as the Coyote scare some departments away vs the simplicity of the GM V-8's.

 

Again were talking about  Tahoe vs 150/Expy.  No doubt in most services the "new" Explorer does the job.

 

How can you define that the Tahoe PPV is "successful" when GM doesn't even break out sales numbers (as far as I can tell) for it?

[Bob Rosadini]

1 hour ago, Sherminator98 said:

 

How can you define that the Tahoe PPV is "successful" when GM doesn't even break out sales numbers (as far as I can tell) for it?

Again we are talking primarily Expy-or so I thought.  Plus my eyes tell me as I watch news clips.  Is the Expy pursuit rated?  I didn't think so.

Also I  think while the Explorer is for sure the "new" Crown Vic, instead of turning the Expy into something it wasn't designed for, I would see more gains if more attention was paid to 150, with a 6.8.  KISS applies IMO.

And when I say that, it is not a negative on the Coyote- I'm a happy owner.  I just think that the simplicity  of  a push rod V-8 gives fleets a comfort level over 32 valves😎

[akirby]

1 hour ago, Bob Rosadini said:

Again we are talking primarily Expy-or so I thought.  Plus my eyes tell me as I watch news clips.  Is the Expy pursuit rated?  I didn't think so.

Also I  think while the Explorer is for sure the "new" Crown Vic, instead of turning the Expy into something it wasn't designed for, I would see more gains if more attention was paid to 150, with a 6.8.  KISS applies IMO.

And when I say that, it is not a negative on the Coyote- I'm a happy owner.  I just think that the simplicity  of  a push rod V-8 gives fleets a comfort level over 32 valves😎

F150 is already pursuit rated.  Local cops don’t do much pursuit anyway.

[SoonerLS]

9 hours ago, Bob Rosadini said:

I think the complexity of the Ecoboosts, as well as the Coyote scare some departments away vs the simplicity of the GM V-8's.

Given the ubiquity of the Explorer Police Interceptor, I don’t think any departments are scared of the complexity of the EcoBoosts or the Coyote. 

[Bob Rosadini]

7 hours ago, akirby said:

F150 is already pursuit rated.  Local cops don’t do much pursuit anyway.

Understood on 150 being pursuit rated.  My small town has one and it is  usually on road every shift.  My suggestion on putting a 6.8/7.3 in 150 might take some sales away from Tahoe.

[Bob Rosadini]

1 hour ago, SoonerLS said:

Given the ubiquity of the Explorer Police Interceptor, I don’t think any departments are scared of the complexity of the EcoBoosts or the Coyote. 

Agree-again just suggesting for the departments that have their notion about a 'cammer" vs pushrods, the 6.8/7.3 in a 150 might be a good competitor to Tahoe