Sherminator98 Posted December 18, 2024 Share Posted December 18, 2024 https://www.carscoops.com/2024/12/2025-ford-expedition-ssv-wants-to-be-the-new-sheriff-in-town/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 18, 2024 Share Posted December 18, 2024 For whatever reason, I don't see a lot of Expedition police vehicles - mostly Tahoes for this segment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted December 18, 2024 Share Posted December 18, 2024 1 hour ago, rmc523 said: For whatever reason, I don't see a lot of Expedition police vehicles - mostly Tahoes for this segment. There aren't many municipal police departments that have a need for full-size police SUV's other than the larger size departments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92merc Posted December 18, 2024 Share Posted December 18, 2024 I work at my state Capitol, where our State Highway Patrol is housed. I've been noticing some of their Explorer PU being replaced with Tahoes. Good to see Ford come in with something to compete. I know fuel range is one of the reasons some LEO's in my state switched to the Tahoe. They have a pretty large fuel tank compared to the Explorer. In a rural setting of North Dakota, that is a big deal. Our state patrol also has a few Ford SuperDuty crew cab's as well. The bed is totally filled with a drawer type storage system. Not sure what they have in there. But I see them on the Interstate from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted December 18, 2024 Share Posted December 18, 2024 3 minutes ago, 92merc said: I work at my state Capitol, where our State Highway Patrol is housed. I've been noticing some of their Explorer PU being replaced with Tahoes. Good to see Ford come in with something to compete. I know fuel range is one of the reasons some LEO's in my state switched to the Tahoe. They have a pretty large fuel tank compared to the Explorer. In a rural setting of North Dakota, that is a big deal. Apples vs. Oranges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 18, 2024 Share Posted December 18, 2024 2 hours ago, ice-capades said: There aren't many municipal police departments that have a need for full-size police SUV's other than the larger size departments. My small town has had nothing but full sized trucks and SUVs ever since we moved here. I think they just like all the extra room. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 18, 2024 Share Posted December 18, 2024 3 hours ago, ice-capades said: There aren't many municipal police departments that have a need for full-size police SUV's other than the larger size departments. I'm not saying for all units everywhere. I'm saying for police units I see that are full sized SUVs, I see mostly Tahoes, not Expys. And FWIW, Fort Lauderdale PD uses primarily Tahoes now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted December 19, 2024 Share Posted December 19, 2024 12 hours ago, ice-capades said: There aren't many municipal police departments that have a need for full-size police SUV's other than the larger size departments. There are a heck of a lot of cop Tahoes around here. I couldn’t tell you the last time I saw a cop Expedition, despite the fact that this state is lousy with cop Explorers/PIUs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted December 19, 2024 Share Posted December 19, 2024 Appreciate the feedback about those that have a lot of full-size SUVs in police service in their areas... Tahoes or Expeditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted December 19, 2024 Share Posted December 19, 2024 My city went from Explorer's to Tahoes.. mainly because of price...Tahoes were about the same as an Explorers and easier to work on for the apparatus they have to had install in them. And be able to jump a curb easily if need be. The only thing they enjoyed about the Explorer's were the 3.0L engines power. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danglin Posted December 19, 2024 Share Posted December 19, 2024 Here in Indiana, the State Police switched to Durangos after Chargers were no longer available. After engine issues and not much help from Stellantis, they purchased Tahoes. Word from that is Troopers are not happy with how slow they are and the handling, so they may be looking at something else. Only other option will be Fords, but from what I know they strongly prefer V8 engines and that is not even available in the F150... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 19, 2024 Share Posted December 19, 2024 18 minutes ago, danglin said: Here in Indiana, the State Police switched to Durangos after Chargers were no longer available. After engine issues and not much help from Stellantis, they purchased Tahoes. Word from that is Troopers are not happy with how slow they are and the handling, so they may be looking at something else. Only other option will be Fords, but from what I know they strongly prefer V8 engines and that is not even available in the F150... Troopers are quite different from local municipalities as far as high speed chases. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted December 19, 2024 Share Posted December 19, 2024 (edited) What is that?!?! Oh...never mind...Mach E Edited December 19, 2024 by twintornados Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazerdude20 Posted December 20, 2024 Share Posted December 20, 2024 Aren’t the expeditions capacity constrained due to super duty line? Would make sense ford isn’t looking for many lower margin police spec units. Whereas GM has a dedicated plant to keep rolling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted December 20, 2024 Author Share Posted December 20, 2024 8 hours ago, blazerdude20 said: Aren’t the expeditions capacity constrained due to super duty line? Would make sense ford isn’t looking for many lower margin police spec units. Whereas GM has a dedicated plant to keep rolling That is ending once Oakville starts Super Duty production in the next year and half? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 20, 2024 Share Posted December 20, 2024 10 hours ago, blazerdude20 said: Aren’t the expeditions capacity constrained due to super duty line? Would make sense ford isn’t looking for many lower margin police spec units. Whereas GM has a dedicated plant to keep rolling That's long been the thought - I guess we'll see how true that is whenever Oakville actually gets going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted December 20, 2024 Share Posted December 20, 2024 On 12/18/2024 at 9:49 AM, ice-capades said: There aren't many municipal police departments that have a need for full-size police SUV's other than the larger size departments. There's mostly Tahoes here in North Texas, but that's probably because of them being built here in Arlington, Texas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 There's a police cruiser upfitter near me and there must be 200 vehicles --99% Explorers -- waiting to be upfitted with radios, emergency lighting, sirens etc.. By the time they get to all of them, the vehicle is going to be a year old before it hits the streets!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 On 12/19/2024 at 1:27 PM, danglin said: Here in Indiana, the State Police switched to Durangos after Chargers were no longer available. After engine issues and not much help from Stellantis, they purchased Tahoes. Word from that is Troopers are not happy with how slow they are and the handling, so they may be looking at something else. Only other option will be Fords, but from what I know they strongly prefer V8 engines and that is not even available in the F150... IMO you have identified the reason for the Tahoe's success. If Ford offered a V-8 in 150 or Expy they would do better. And to take that one step further make that a 6.8/7.3. I think the complexity of the Ecoboosts, as well as the Coyote scare some departments away vs the simplicity of the GM V-8's. Again were talking about Tahoe vs 150/Expy. No doubt in most services the "new" Explorer does the job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 34 minutes ago, Bob Rosadini said: IMO you have identified the reason for the Tahoe's success. If Ford offered a V-8 in 150 or Expy they would do better. And to take that one step further make that a 6.8/7.3. I think the complexity of the Ecoboosts, as well as the Coyote scare some departments away vs the simplicity of the GM V-8's. Again were talking about Tahoe vs 150/Expy. No doubt in most services the "new" Explorer does the job. How can you define that the Tahoe PPV is "successful" when GM doesn't even break out sales numbers (as far as I can tell) for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Sherminator98 said: How can you define that the Tahoe PPV is "successful" when GM doesn't even break out sales numbers (as far as I can tell) for it? Again we are talking primarily Expy-or so I thought. Plus my eyes tell me as I watch news clips. Is the Expy pursuit rated? I didn't think so. Also I think while the Explorer is for sure the "new" Crown Vic, instead of turning the Expy into something it wasn't designed for, I would see more gains if more attention was paid to 150, with a 6.8. KISS applies IMO. And when I say that, it is not a negative on the Coyote- I'm a happy owner. I just think that the simplicity of a push rod V-8 gives fleets a comfort level over 32 valves😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Bob Rosadini said: Again we are talking primarily Expy-or so I thought. Plus my eyes tell me as I watch news clips. Is the Expy pursuit rated? I didn't think so. Also I think while the Explorer is for sure the "new" Crown Vic, instead of turning the Expy into something it wasn't designed for, I would see more gains if more attention was paid to 150, with a 6.8. KISS applies IMO. And when I say that, it is not a negative on the Coyote- I'm a happy owner. I just think that the simplicity of a push rod V-8 gives fleets a comfort level over 32 valves😎 F150 is already pursuit rated. Local cops don’t do much pursuit anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 9 hours ago, Bob Rosadini said: I think the complexity of the Ecoboosts, as well as the Coyote scare some departments away vs the simplicity of the GM V-8's. Given the ubiquity of the Explorer Police Interceptor, I don’t think any departments are scared of the complexity of the EcoBoosts or the Coyote. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 7 hours ago, akirby said: F150 is already pursuit rated. Local cops don’t do much pursuit anyway. Understood on 150 being pursuit rated. My small town has one and it is usually on road every shift. My suggestion on putting a 6.8/7.3 in 150 might take some sales away from Tahoe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, SoonerLS said: Given the ubiquity of the Explorer Police Interceptor, I don’t think any departments are scared of the complexity of the EcoBoosts or the Coyote. Agree-again just suggesting for the departments that have their notion about a 'cammer" vs pushrods, the 6.8/7.3 in a 150 might be a good competitor to Tahoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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