The bolt is a turd too. The bolt ev and euv sold around 60k combined in 2023. Not exactly setting the world on fire. And let’s not forget that the bolts price was around $22k after tax credits. Mustang Mach E sold 40k in 2023 and it was probably selling for twice as much.

I agree about Glacier — I didn't go either. If there's something closer to Vapor Blue, it'll definitely be a step forward. I wonder if they'll really make "Platinum Plus" the new top. The idea sounds logical, because Limited looked a bit strange in the hierarchy. Platinum has always been more consistent across other Ford lines, so bringing structure back would make sense. Smoked Truffle sounds much more refined too — Admiral Blue was bold, but maybe too polarizing. Would love to see a classy medium blue return, something with depth but still neutral enough to age well. Regarding the order bank — I'm waiting for info myself. If anyone has already seen official dates or rumors from dealer sources — share!

All according to ice-capades (read his comment above).

Is that true on F450 pickups, though?  I'm sure chassis cabs are as you mention, but what about the F450 pickups?

Yeah I never got around to posting that Iveco deal a few weeks ago. Thanks 7M. I wish Farley/Ford had bought Iveco for $4 billion instead of going full tilt into the EV biz for $5-plus billion! How many points did I lose with that remark??!!!

They can’t automatically roll over.  Prices and options change.  Unfortunately 450 orders get slanted towards commercial/fleet accounts and don’t follow normal allocation/priority rules.

Curious how you rate the new Leaf to the 2023 Bolt in appearance, given they share similar MSRP.  In 2023 the Chevy Bolt, not known for its great looks AFAIK, was the best selling non-Tesla EV in USA, and it was smaller and had less range than the new Leaf S+.  Just wondering that unless buyers find the new Leaf much less attractive than Bolt, its sub $30k price may overcome average looks.   Also interesting regarding looks that the two best selling EVs in 2023, the Tesla Model Y and 3, do not seem to get a lot of praise for their styling, on this forum anyway.  Both Teslas are cheaper than their competitors though, so maybe price overrides appearance as long as the vehicle isn’t so ugly it’s embarrassing to own? 😀

For the love of God, in the interim, offer a hybrid in everything. 

This thing screams Carlos Tavares: Hybrid, expensive, "vegan leather" due to "environmental sensitivities", not particularly powerful...   Hopefully Antonio Filosa and his team launch products more aligned with North American consumer preferences without fatal flaws. Those elements that I Iisted above aren't without merit on their own, but Carlos Tavares and his team had a habit of combining them in an undesirable way (e.g. Dodge Hornet). 

At least Ford now has plenty of battery supply for more hybrids, PHEVs and any EREVs it wants to build.   Go back four or five years and Ford was telling anyone who would listen that having ICE and EV in one vehicle was heavy and a waste of resources vs BEV. Now they say, Mid Size BEVs are better and varying amounts of hybrid EV for future ICE vehicles…..interesting how Ford has come so far on it journey, so much of the false logic was due to the old rigid way its own engineering would approach vehicle development.   Thankfully, eyes are now opened.