I don’t think Ford needs to be overly concerned about specific competitors.  They need to focus on keeping costs as low as possible with appealing designs similar to what they did with Maverick and Bronco Sport.  What works for one company may not work as well for another due to differences in infrastructure costs, intellectual property, factory capacity and market appeal.   I’m ok with skunkworks taking longer IF the end result is as good as Ford has touted in cost, design and performance.  If it ends up just being average in any of those areas it will be a swing and a miss - again.

Even though it's an entirely different price point, this is a great example of what I have in mind. Having something that still looks like a 60s muscle car with a blocky shape, but more exotic proportions.    Something like this with more pronounced hips and dynamic rear end like that original pic I showed. I basically want the mustang to be the best looking front engine coupe on sale. 

Three reasons why the new Mustang is not selling. One, the front of the car is to cluttered looking. Two, the dash i pad look doesn't cut it. Three, the price is just way to much. JMHO

Thanks my friend. While my wife and I like the EV6 and Ioniq 5 a lot, as you know we ended gettin' a MME GT instead. My concerns are:  Ford's big shots ain't sufficiently concerned that Hyundai/Kia E-GMP models, already among the best in class when introduced in 2022, keep getting better. Better in many ways, not just charging speed The lack of new EV in Ford's U.S. vehicle lineup between the time I bought my F-150 Lightning in 2022 and my wife's MME GT last month More talk than tangible products or processes comin' out of Ford's skunkworks and the new low cost EV platform at this point 

Prefer cleaner lines of Top Gun: Maverick’s classic 1973 Porsche 911 S.  If Ford did a complete redesign of Mustang, my vote would be to make it simpler and aesthetically less “cluttered”.  Not sure what the right term or description is, but present Mustang looks too busy to me, in a similar manner that Porsches posted above by akirby look overdone compared to original 911 from movie.  Functionality aside, Mustang inspiration should indeed come from 60s IMO.  

You may be 100% correct, but just because two events occur sequentially doesn’t necessarily mean there is causality.  Companies spin information every which way they think will benefit them best, so it’s hard to know for sure.  Obviously Hyundai at some point in time must have thought there was demand or they wouldn’t have committed the necessary investment.  On the other hand it’s likely that shifting production to US took some time, so even if sales suddenly dropped 50% for unrelated reasons, reversing direction may have not been an option.  I hope you’re right and that sales bounce back in second half.  My concern is that general EV ownership sentiments have been shifting.

Meanwhile in Germany…….  

I find it slightly amusing that the reason Ford pulled out of the Rivian based Lincoln SUV  was because the electrical system was incompatible with Ford’s own electrical architecture.   It was las though Ford had to evolve and grow through a process of refinement before it could see what was truly needed. I guess that’s way, way better than making one costly mistake after another..   As I see it, getting a stable supply of batteries is the foundation that Ford needs established and then, it can go to town with rolling out plenty of hybrids, PHEVs and BEVs to its heart’s content.

I also think this could be a good idea. The Escalade V starts at 162k so that would give a higher ATP 

As mentioned earlier, the Hyundai/Kia EV sales loser categorization is due to shifts in production from South Korea to the U.S. for 2025 EV6, EV9, and Ioniq 5. They didn't import Korean built versions of the 2025 models to the U.S. while ramping up production at their two plants in Georgia, causing sales to drop as remaining 2024 models sold out.    Hyundai/Kia should see sales growth for their EV in the second half of the year