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Hi probowler, I'm nobody, nice to meet you! I would guess there are thousands of guys (and gals) like me out there who want a Bronco but need 4 doors for the family. I guess they are all named nobody too. Interesting...

And the 4-door buyers is what will make the Bronco possible. If it weren't for the 4-door, it wouldn't be coming back, and it definitely would not stick around.

Let’s be honest here. All stock jeeps look weak (except rubicon). They only start looking “tough” after owners modify the hell out of them. Tell me the last time you saw a Jeep with the stock wheels and tires and thought it looked cool?

Maybe some new colors and larger wheels would be a nice upgrade..... ?

Do you think Wall Street really understands what it really takes to be a successful automaker? I’m being serious when I ask that question. The so called experts are so far removed from it that if it’s not in a spreadsheet or economic report, they wouldn’t understand. The analysts, while great at putting words behind numbers, really have no clue how hard it is making a car. Traders only care about making a profit. Over the past 13 years in the industry, Im no longer shocked by someone who has lived a one percenter life since birth claiming to be an expert on manufacturing. Never stepped foot in a plant. Never done any sort of manual labor. Never really done anything other than get an advanced degree in business. Followed by getting in at investment bank. Yet, those are the analysts that Wall Street listens to.

Of course! Both Explorer and Ranger were F100 trim levels in the 70s.

Might as well offer a factory winch too, like they now have for the Tremor. HRG

Sounds exactly what the Mustang crowd is doing to the MME.

No thanks on the center console. Leave that for XLT and above for people that actually want it and will pay the extra for it. Nothing kills interior space for throwing tools, straps, etc like a giant hunk of plastic bolted between the seats. Not to mention eliminating seat belt capacity for one extra passenger.

Simple answer. What is going to sell in numbers enough to justify releasing this vehicle? A four door. The two door is still there for the purists. The Wrangler folks cried for 5 minutes when the 4 door was released and now it outsells the 2 door at least 3 to 1. Sales of the four door will keep this vehicle alive and not make it a one generation flash in the pan. I mean, they did replace the 90's fullsize Bronco with a 4 door (which is still around).

Dude...you need to take your meds before you respond.....

People just need to relax a bit. It will be out soon and the speculation can end.

I don't care if it is considered a sports car, muscle car or pony car. The 2018+ models drive great, handle great, perform great and also make very civilized daily drivers. To my eye, they are also the best looking Mustangs ever produced.

Good lawd that dash looks straight out of a 1979 full sized car.

Focus and Fiesta couldn't make money because they were made by Ford.

Add to that $11 billion sucked out of existing product development to go chase EVs AVs and connectivity, add another $11 billion to reform Europe and ROW products Ford is still clinging to F Series paying for everything else that barely covers its own replacement cost.

Too bad they didn't switch the transmissions to more reliable versions in Focus/Fiesta years ago, then could still be viable.

Is the rumor true that you're hosting a BOF members-only BBQ at Casa Del Fuzzy during the NAIAS? Asking for a friend,,,,,, HRG

Someone posted this over at Bronco6g and it's perfect:

I agree, that gauge cluster is horrible. --- That said, have you seen any of GM's current gauge clusters - they look like they haven't changed since the 90s.

It was a rhetorical question. They get a pass on everything because people love Elon and they love the idea of Tesla - doing things differently and saving the environment. They can't afford to redo older models like the S. All their resources are going to launch the new vehicles and develop new stuff they can pimp to investors to keep the ponzi scheme going with new cash infusions. This, and the fact that they're underpricing the vehicles just to get sales volume (underpriced relative to what it takes to generate a net profit) and the fact that their manufacturing and distribution can't scale is why anyone with a brain can see it's unsustainable. Don't tell Wall Street though.

One of the things many people like about the current Mustang is that it makes a surprisingly good daily driver. Visibility is excellent. There is a lot of trunk space. While the rear seat is basically just decoration, the front is roomy and the seats are comfortable. Ergonomics are quite good, too. The ride is pleasant. Road and wind noise is very muted. While a lower, swoopier design might be pleasing to the eye, there is danger of losing some of the usability....like the Camaro has done. I do agree with facelifts that keep it fresh and we expect a more major change in a few years but I think the current model has done a remarkable job of marrying sportiness, performance, handling, comfort and usability.

I hope it has a carpet delete option like the Super Duty XL.

because the last one was so small ?

Nice gatekeeping.

This our first super duty, the ride is stiffer than the 1/2 ton. It’s not a daily driver for us. We will be towing a 25 airstream with it. So far it’s only has 260 miles on it. The mpg is 16.3 so far. Over all we love the truck. There is something about just putting gas in it rather than diesel and def.

My gosh you are so right? or left?. Anywho, I'm not going to argue aviation with you. I'm not going to even discuss the ordering process of autos at Ford. The final thing I will not do is grow up, I worked too hard and sacrificed a lot in life to do as I please and play with any expensive toy I choose.

Kuga = Escape

February 29th, 2020 is the big day! Surprised at the people getting cold feet saying they'll do another 4 years. Sure, things will change but I'm ready. Everyone has an expiration date. If I'm blessed I'll live another 20 years. Time to go and enjoy life!

I doubt it, it's probably just aesthetic. The camo is doing its job

I doubt it, it's probably just aesthetic. The camo is doing its job

I see Infinity QX60. I’m not digging the exterior at all, but the interior is fine. I think comparing it to the Aviator is kind of insulting to the Aviator.

I did... I predicted the B-segment CUV will be a 500k unit segment in the US when Ford made the original decision to not sell the EcoSport in the US and GM went ahead with Encore. I said that was a huge mistake and Ford is going to regret not competing in this segment. And I was roundly ridiculed on these forums for making such an outlandish prediction ? I wasn't arguing for importing EcoSport as is... I was arguing that Ford wasn't prepared to compete. And it is still not ready. Talk about a badly missed product decision...

We are all-electric and we don't have a generator or batteries...very few people around here do. In the 5+ years here at our new house, we've probably been without power a total of an hour or less. Electricity is very reliable here in our area. Induction cooktops are awesome! And I wouldn't trade my geothermal heat for gas heat at all (especially when it comes time to pay the bill).

Mustangchief, I didn't realize the length of time of being a member has any relevance. You posted on a public forum so I could care less if everyone is lifelong fan or not. I'm a quality fan not a brand loyalist. You want to have a dialogue or not? If you want your own personal conversation with a group of friends create your own blog. I was giving my opinion and experience of ordering this Lincoln, admittedly not a GT, but became interested in the experiences of people on this thread because some comments seemed to be echoing my experience. As for pissing you off for pointing out example of the F-35 and max project, I don't really care if you let it go or not, they are examples in my opinion of poor management, potentially greed and the failure to listen to engineers and people on the line that know what the problems really are vs the cubicle. Did you ever read the RAND report on the F-35 and to the testimony given to the Australian parliament on the F-35, fascinating and unbelievable? As for Boeing, do you really think its in the publics best interest to allow an aircraft manufacturer to virtually certify their own product. It was greed and a rush to prevent a full recertification process to avoid costly pilot simulator training by essentially arguing that the aircraft was still a 737. It's total bs and you know it if you know aerodynamics and how that changed with the engine size and positioning on that aircraft. I digress so back on point, let me ask you a question how do you improve a company, its products or services? You certainly don't hide from problems or only want to know the successes. You relentlessly identify problems and tackle them. Just because "Ford tried to do something others would not contemplate in a complete makeover of a massive plant in a month." doesn't mean it was the right decision. Particularly in light of having from what I understand are having a tremendous number of vehicles shipped to another plant to be fixed under outdoor tents. I truly hope Ford/Lincoln get this right because ultimately that is great for America. We get to Monday morning qb the decision and every company should Monday morning qb the decisions you make, because being brutally honest with yourself is how you improve your company. Lastly as for throwing a fit, do you believe its unreasonable to expect a vehicle that was ordered on July 29th to be delivered by January 15th or that the dealer or Lincoln rep would have any idea what is going on? First year model or not. If you do think that is unreasonable then we have a long way to go in this country towards delivering quality customer service and a superior product. I don't lease, but for so many consumers that do and wanted to switch to Lincoln how could they possibly manage the timing? Order their vehicle a year or more ahead. Your implied age would tell me you are more mature than the silly insulting comments you have made. You still have some growing up to do. If you can't handle some commentary I guess form your own personal forum.

" You joined BOV 3 days ago and just rained a tribe of useless barbs on a forum of the biggest fans of Ford/Lincoln, not to mention employees past and present here. Ford tried to do something others would not contemplate in a complete makeover of a massive plant in a month. Instead of looking at what went right, you are focused on what went wrong. If your post was the single driving factor of a person deciding what vehicle to buy, people would never buy a new or used Ford product. Thankfully, Ford/Lincoln customers are mostly Blue Collar or from the Blue Collar realm and pretty damn smart. They understand life is not perfect and when life deals you a lemon, you make lemonade. You do not cut the tree down and smirk at how you won't get another lemon. There are many highly satisfied Lincoln customers with Aviators and other Lincolns. You won't have a chance to enjoy a truly great vehicle because you like the other five threw a fit and canceled because you did not get it on your terms. This thread was started by me with the sole intent of following my order through the process with my friends on this forum, I did not post it on Audi or BMW forums even though I own one of each and my daily driver is a BMW. When I need to tow/haul/travel I use a Ford F-150, when I feel sporty I get my Mustang or Challenger out. If I had to give up four of my cars today, I would be driving the F-150. When I get the Aviator, it will be the Aviator. I spent a three day weekend with one and put on hundreds of miles. When you get seat time, if you trust it enough to try, you will see Lincoln blew away the Europeans IMO. A short jaunt around a dealer area doesn't count. I think my Audi is superb around the house, but I took it on a 600 mile trip and will never again do that. These are my opinions and just that, my opinions. In your other replies you mentioned your "professional hat" and that it somehow qualifies your comments. I wore a blue collar hat and then a professional hat until my retirement at 48. My specialty was production/manufacturing. My latter years was at the top overseeing product cradle to grave lifecycles of aircraft. I spent time in classes with automotive production managers. Your comment about the "Max and Lightning" kind of pisses me off, but I let it go because you obviously have arm chair manufacturing experience. They were not my projects and many of the mistakes made at Boeing were due to greed and though I'm sad to see them go through this process they brought it on themselves. The Lightning, where I am intimately familiar with the company is more of a corporate salesman promising what engineers said was possible before T&E. It is an extremely capable aircraft and will be for decades to come. All that said, manufacturing is about CPI (Continuous Process Improvement) Ford tried something, and though I don't know specifics, they are bench marking what worked and improving what didn't. As you said AI and BEVs are on the horizon, they guy who can win the day on factory changeover speed will win the market. Ford is not about to spill the beans to dealers or consumers on what went right and what went wrong, these are corporate secrets they will use in the near future to improve. Ford has innovated since the Model T and I think they are on the brink of the next big thing.

I love this pic of it.

The reason I have remained on the forum is I want to actually track and see how long this actually takes to show up. I actually meet with the Ford C suite since my division insures their Directors and Officers via what's called D&O Insurance and I am going to bring up my actual experience when we meet to give them a perspective from a buyer. Further when I put my professional hat on the roll out of multiple new vehicles and what appears to me to be a mismanaged process is concerning on a professional level in terms of how well run the company is. When you lose attention to detail on scale such as this that is indicative of larger problems. So I'm not arguing with you mustangchief, I'm relaying exactly what the dealer said to me which is they lost 5 special orders in the sense those customers cancelled. Of course they take possession of those vehicles and will need to find replacement customers. Lincoln is aspiring to win customers from BMW, Mercedes and Audi. I have experience with each of those manufacturers over 25 years and never have experienced something like this. So I thought I would give some perspective to the conversation just as many people here have. I am now locked in to see how other customer experiences turns out, because for my job its informative. Additioanlly I am curious as to how long this vehicle actually takes to hit the dealer. I will share that with the Ford Execs during the renewal discussion for their D&O insurance. From a consumer standpoint, Lincoln needs to raise their game because the future of luxury car manufacturing will head towards build it customer by customer vs mass manufacturing and having dealers all over the US with rows and rows of vehicles sitting on lots. AI and other disruptive technologies are coming fast which will change the way every industry operates. You don't move $80k dollar vehicles like you do $30k vehicles. If Lincoln believes that they are foolish and will have their clocks cleaned.

Uh, my Q5 is far from perfect, it has more wind noise than my F-150 and is no where as comfortable on long trips. It has been back to the dealer for an installation error in the wheel well and a stereo that kept dumping my iPhone connection. Ford never once told me to change my brake fluid every 10000 miles or 2 years. I have less than 10K miles in 27 months and nearly $300 in service costs. It is a nice local car and we are keeping it as such, but gimme a break on how great it is. Yes, Audi does call every 6 months to ask how things are going and suggest expensive service...

I picked one up on Sunday. Iconic silver with the magnetic accent, 4x4.

Credit to the artist in the top left JC Valdecentos, from the 2020 Bronco Facebook page. This is more like it:

Notice that I didn't say female only. I have already seen at least one youtube "expert" that said there were other young male drivers with more talent that deserve a shot more than she does. I've seen her race in the K&N series and she is no slouch. I just hope they put her with the right teams. Another rumor floating around is that Harvick had something to do with getting Ford involved. IMO this is one of the best moves Ford Performance has made in a while. Another good move was Matt DiBenedetto signing with the Wood Brothers.