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You mean like the original V6 mustangs of the 60s? Ranger offers one engine and people bitch. BS offers two and people bitch. Can’t win.

I swear Nissan must be kicking themselves that they didn't keep the Xterra. Always liked them.

I assume you mean V8. The Ranger has an excellent engine. I agree that people complaining about it are just bitching. The 1.5 engine by all accounts isn’t refined enough for the Escape/BS. Making the 2.0 standard with the 2.3 and/or the 2.5 hybrid would seem much better choices, especially if the BS is premium pricing compared to Escape.

Yeah I realised that Ford is putting the 1.5 in there, a bit disappointing that Ford didn't back itself in with higher series engines, I would have thought Bronco Sport deserved a better basic performance level especially with premium prices but that's just me. In this vehicle a 1.5 I-3 just seems like down market dogshit that should be confined to European Ford vehicles, not USA.

I’d say half the problem is people don’t understand what this vehicle is competing with. You had mentioned the Jeep Compass and Subaru cross trek. Another one you hear all the time is the Jeep renegade. Since the BS is sharing a platform with the escape, I’d assume it will be larger than any of those and it’s more likely that it’s a Jeep cherokee competitor. then there is price. You are right, we have no idea what the price is. But there’s been speculation that it will sell at a premium over the escape for a while now. Here’s the starting prices of its competitors: escape - $24,885 cherokee - $25,934 Rav4 - $25,950 crv - $25,050 Cx5 - $25,190 I believe it needs to start around this range to be competitive. I also think naming it Bronco is part of the problem too. Now it has to live up to the bronco name. I’d say that’s a tough thing to do in this market. If it was called Maverick and was never mentioned in the same name as bronco, you probably wouldn’t see the same reactions.

The issue is that most airlines insist that pilots use autopilot except for take off and landing, Boeing / airbus successfully convincing airlines to stop pilots flying any planes, not just 737 Max.

Nissan is probably kicking themselves for a LOT of things these days

No, you didn't really just refer to yourself in the third person ???

People also expected the Ranger to be way more than it is at a much lower price (as if) Those that know the truth know it is what it is and the home run shot comes in 2-3 years when the new comes out. I should add what we have now is still a pretty damn good truck as it is in spite of whatever flaws it may have.

After reading the last several posts, I’m not sure what people are expecting the BS to be. To me it seems like it’s competition will be the Compass, Crosstrek, etc, as previously mentioned. This isn’t meant to be a serious off-roader, it merely has to handle some light off-roading to get your mountain bikes to the trailhead. Most of that will consist of some gravel or dirt roads, and some wet grass. Frankly, just about any vehicle can handle that. Concerning price, we don’t even know what that will be yet, so it’s hard to be concerned about at this point. If they want this to be competitive with the aforementioned vehicles, then I can’t imagine they will price it out of the market. Although I don’t care for some of the details that have come to light regarding the BS, I would never choose those as options anyway, so it doesn’t really matter. However, those low end options will allow A more affordable opportunity to those trying to get in on the pseudo off-road game with a storied name badge behind it. After all, it is a company trying to sell vehicles to make money, which provides opportunities for them to build the performance vehicles that I actually like to buy. Those base models help pay for those performance options.

Silvrsvt, how much time have YOU spent behind the wheel of a 2020 Escape with the 3-cylinder 1.5? We had one for 3 weeks, while our '18 1.5 4-cylinder was getting a new short block, and as others have stated, it's a disappointment. HRG

I had a rental escape with it and I didn’t care for it one bit. It was loud with lots of vibration. Even the nicest vehicle will feel inferior with a loud engine. Just on refinement alone, there’s a night and day difference between my 2017 escape with a 2.0 and the 2020 with 1.5.

The Jeep Compass and Subaru XV Crosstrek both are off road oriented small SUVs/crossovers that have powertrains reviewers regularly trash, but the buying public doesn't really seem to care. They are both in the top 10 in their market and combined sell over 200,000 per year. Relatively low price and some capability beyond other SUVs seems to have a solid market that Ford wants to compete in with this Bronco.

What up Decker! HAAY,the world is in a panic over an illness that for 90% of the people who will contract it, is no worse than the flu?Maybe now Liberals will see that resources are limited and that the USA taxpayer cannot {neither has the obligation} to provide "free" this and that along with a guaranteed minimum standard of living to the rest of the freakin! planet for crying out loud.Resources are garnered through somebody`s work,productive behavior,not a government check written out of the blue.If I am not for myself than who will be?Self preservation is not immoral. God Bless the healthcare workers and first responders ,military personnel,who are helping to keep what is left of society together during these difficult times.

Re-reading your post akirby, maybe you meant I6 not v6.

Fully aware of that, his complaint was of his 2018 Escape 15L EB that in his words were "it kinda sucks"...I am just saying that he may think "it kinda sucks" but for its intended audience, most will not give it a second thought....I believe that the same will be true of the 2020 variant with its 3 cylinder EB motor...enthusiasts will not be kind to it, but the intended audience will never give it a second thought. The enthusiast will simply side-step it and get the 2.0L EB motor instead if the 2020 Escape is their final choice.

2020 version is different than the 218 version. For one, the new one is a 3 cylinder, and so far reviews haven't exactly been kind to it.

It’s perfectly fine if you stop obsessing about it and just get used to it. And they can’t let you shut it off permanently because it won’t count towards EPA fuel economy and CAFE.

Living in the sticks or just going off-road and driving on dirt/gravel roads it's not unheard of (pun intended) to get small stones wedged in between the brake rotor and say, a heat shield which can cause a squeal.

Yeah, its not a terrible engine, however for something with the Bronco name I would hope Ford would distinguish it with higher performing engines and performance. I just don't want Ford to play it too conservative even with the smaller Bronco. As for the Auto/Stop start its just an annoyance, it would be easy to add into your Sync system a permanent off instead of a button every time you drive, just a personal gripe though.

Browns and Tans on everything, to include restored cars from the 1920/30s

Flares and platform shoes.

Ahhh, the 1970's were an interesting time style wise....vinyl tops, half tops, Ghia editions, loads of chrome, hood ornaments etc etc etc were all the rage....I was a young teen growing up in the 70's and I loved it....all personal preferences I suppose.

Yeah, I am shocked Ford didnt go with 2.0L eb standard and 2.3eb as higher end option. I have a 2018 escape 4x4 with the 1.5l and it kinda sucks. To put this in a "off-road" vehicle is a mistake. Plus I hope they put in a permanent way to disable auto-stop start. Hopefully more information is coming out soon.

Very puzzling engine choice in such a supposed enthusiast, performance sub-brand ?

Yep, ‘71 BOSS 351 was one of (If not) the fastest 1/4 mile Mustangs from ‘65-‘73 model years. That almost horizontal back window is something to behold when sitting in the drivers seat. I tend to like the style.

Local dealer has a 650 V-8 on lot. Wheel base suggests set up for a 5-7 yd dump as it also has electric to rear. This dealer is new to mediums and currently has 2 750 dump chassis (Power Strokes, air) and two 650's 2019 V-10 and the 2021 V-8

yeah they won't release me until the 31st when they do those mass lay offs but now they want me to file unemployment/sub pay for 2 weeks just freaking let me go please, and yes I'm going to write a book titled "I didn't do it but I was there". They're keeping my money and not cutting me loose, finally get a release date and the world comes to an end. Have fun making ventilators, when ya run out of toilet paper theres always that contract

I'm O+ woohoo

Perfect, thank you bcpaker2

Can confirm that's normal it's due to the waste gates on the turbo they are loose when cold which is why it takes about a minute to stop. That gives it a chance for the metal to expand and seat properly.

Not cheap parts - poor engineering. It's the design of the engine block.