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I don't think anyone is "against" BEVs, but rather against the forcing them down peoples throats in a condensed timeline "because they're green" all while ignoring the "ungreen" aspects of them and ignoring the affects on the power system demanding renewable energy sources that won't be realistic. They're demanding the entire world change an entire infrastructure built on another power method in 14 years......while also disallowing power generation methods like nuclear. Sure things will improve by then regarding BEVs themselves, but why not just let it happen naturally if they're so great? Why force everyone into them and outlaw ICE vehicles?

they also ( a majority ) have check marks next to Country leading Homelessness, high Taxes, defund the Police and "largely peaceful " Protests correct?....theres a common denominator unfortunately...f'in IDIOTS...sorry to go down a political road...but that's EXACTLY what these BS propositions and proposals are...nothing more nothing less...pandering...

yep...all those that signed are just pandering for fear of "rocking boats" drawing attention to themselves and thus experiencing some form of "woke-ism" cancellation. Smoke and mirrors BULLSHIT.

Or spectacular failure. Remember Campaq? Commodore? Gateway? All three were the newest best thing, and all three flopped.

Not sure what Ford has to gain from a business point of view by "signing on", rather than just quietly behind the scenes keep strong EV development and solid choices on both sides for customers moving forward. Seems like some kind of 'Virtue Signal' to me. A company known for reliable hard working trucks should keep options open for the customers that will still need/want certain trucks in the future. Bit unnerving that the two 800lb gorillas Toyota and VW have not 'signed', but appear to be doing just what I suggested above.

very well put. My issue...and Ill guess Im not the only one...is NOT having the ultimate choice on how to spend MY money...especially on something that is the exact opposite of what it claims to be....environmentally clean with little carbon footprint.....

Classic. Completely ignore the expert study cited and quoted, ignore the substance of what Diess said, instead post more opinion and try to masquerade it as some sort of fact. That's why you're on ignore.

I don’t see partisan politics in this discussion, but you can’t discuss government mandates without some political points. Ford is committed to BEVs - they don’t need mandates to force their investment direction. They are ready and willing to compete with Tesla, Rivian, Lucid and all the rest. What most of us object to is a government mandate that ignores the real technical, financial and ecological issues with going 100% BEV. A gradual shift as those issues get addressed makes far more sense. If they all get addressed by 2040, great, but let the technology and infrastructure drive the change not mandates.

Experts who have actually studied the situation in Europe, instead of relying on their opinion only, beg to differ: https://europe.autonews.com/environmentemissions/electric-vehicles-flood-market-charging-network-remains-stuck-low-gear?utm_source=breaking-news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20211112&utm_content=hero-headline None of the problems mentioned are insurmountable, but to dismiss them as "absurd" is pollyannaish. Executives responsible for billion dollar decisions are rightly skeptical and expecting more definition from their respective governing bodies.

So this is a site to discuss politics and power generation policy now and not just Ford products? The libs are shoving it down our throat. The energy companies and their conservative allies are blocking and sabotaging us. Which is it? That discussion does not belong here. I guess if this is where the world is headed Ford better try to lead rather than follow and I am interested in Mach E and F150 Lightning, Maverick and other electrification projects that are ongoing. Because I think the technology is cool. Because I know a battery and motor a lot easier to maintain than an ICE engine and the hundreds of bolt-ons that come with it. Its not about rules , regulations, policy or who really won the last election. Aren't there plenty of other sites to discuss politics? The world has too much of that already. Technology is headed toward electrification. Space X is cleaning Boeing's clock and Tesla will do the same to Ford if they don't act. Don't under estimate Elon Musk and those who aspire to compete with him in America and around the world. They are the Henry Fords and Dodge brothers of today. Politics has nothing to do with the final outcome of this story. Its can speed or slow the transition but not change the final outcome. People think it is so important who is elected to various offices but in the long view maybe business has more influence on the future than politicians. Ford should do what ever it has to to thrive. That means investing in BEVs right now. If the transition is slower as you say Ford has plenty of know how to keep cranking out ICE vehicles. But reality is Tesla and now Rivian are both valued at more than Ford. From a business point of view Ford must take notice. That valuation comes from powerful fund managers and banks pumping up the values, not tree hugging eco terrorists. Again business and wall street are determining the future. Not politicians. And if the demand is there and there is money to be made some smart businessmen will figure out the issues with the power grid and power generation also. There are tons of green and nuclear FUSION starts ups out there today. Don't underestimate where they will be in 10 or 15 years.

No.

As did I. Eh, with the companies that are partnering/backing with Rivian, I'm far more confident in their future than some of the others like Lucid or Faraday.

And where is Subaru? The darling green automobile of 'woke' Boulder Colorado environmentalists - seriously doubt they'll all be trading in their Outbacks for a Ford now. Time will tell on this move by Ford, but I think they could have played it smarter. Looking to future is great, but you don't have to kick your long time traditional customers to the curb. .

with all the Global Warming there should be an abundance of sunshine...cough, cough....

One could also point to government mandates being necessary to push industry into making the necessary investments and changes to drive that shift. The obstacles can be overcome in the timeline mandated, however without the force of government, those necessary investments and changes may not otherwise happen because it is easier and more profitable to stick with the status quo. One could also postulate though that venture capital and wall street have already made the determination that the change to BEV and a sustainable future is necessary for survival and is thus reflected in the market cap of the EV makers vs the legacy companies and that because of this the mandate is unnecessary. I believe it is a bit of both. What we are generally seeing is a pushback of those that don't like change and are fighting to keep within their comfort zone. This happens with any major technological shift. The companies that embrace the change will survive, those that don't will perish. People themselves will gradually make the switch as they see friends and family members making the change for fear of being left behind.

https://www.autoblog.com/2021/11/11/acura-integra-revealed/

Or why we get hit again for profit sharing or any other distribution in addition to our monthly offering~

I was hoping to tell you something, but no such luck. No change in status.

That is why the 'E' in ETA stands for Estimate. In Transit - Arrived Rail - Railcar # UCRY001000 (Norfolk Southern Corp ) Poe, VA Nov-11-2021, 12:55 ET.

Awaiting Shipment - Origin Received Ramp 1K, Kentucky Truck, KY Nov-11-2021, 02:41 ET. ETA Nov-23-2021. I totally do not believe that ETA though seeing as it still hadn't left yet.

No change in status at this time.

The RV and trailer towing guide says differently...

I also have a 22 F-150 on order! Welcome to the Ford Family!

You can't change the Body Code from an F-250 to an F-350. It requires a new order.

Is every one on every Ford GM or Mopar enthusiast site against BEVs? Seems so sometimes. I think by 2035 most of the problems you complain about with EVs will be solved. Heck that's 12 model years yet. Where was Tesla 12 years ago? How far have they come? The world of the future is going to be electrified not gas powered. The old Detroit three can be a part of it or be out of business after 2040. Kinda like refusing see your horse drawn carriage business is going to become irrelevant in back in 1908 when the Model T came out. Fpd sold 10,000 vehicles in 1909. Buy 1922 it was 1.3 million per year with almost as many sold by competitors that year. I am not young, but I am not stuck in the past either. Battery powered mowers and snow blowers finally became cost competitive last year or two. I love my battery mower and can't wait to try out my battery snow blower this winter. I owned lots of V8s the last 30 years but love my new Eco-boost and just purchased a hybrid vehicle as well. They just made more sense than a V8 this last time around. I would have got a Mach E if not for the price, but when I go looking for new vehicles again towards the end of the 2020's I am sure it will be a BEV. BEVs will become competitive. The charging and range problems will be solved. Tesla, Rivan and similar startups, or the Chinese and other Asian countries will solve the problems if Detroit doesn't. Don't worry if you want an ICE vehicle I am sure there will be new ones for you to purchase until at least 2035 more likely 2045 or 2050. It will be a transition. It always takes longer than they say. We will have both ICE and BEV for a least the next two decades. Calm down. People get so angry and it gets personal. It makes some of us not want to bother with these forums anymore at all.

That's Subarus problem. They did a Crosstrek plug in and it was a failure. So they need Toyota to do a decent one. People who buy Subaru want a Subaru, not a rebadged Toyota.

Just trade in wife for a new one that is same height as you...problem solved! ????

Well they better get going on cleaning up electrical generation if that’s the plan because we are still sitting at 60% generated by fossil fuel sources. The environmental crowd is also against nuclear power. Better hope for a lot of wind and sunshine to keep all these vehicles running.

Subaru is in bed with Toyota. Their coming EV is a rebadged Toyota.

Annnd you never hear anything about reducing our offerings back to the 2 hours of juice money....

Walmart did the same, from this; to this;

actually I think its a wise move...they don't sign they get crucified by the "mob"....they do sign theres no backlash....and the reality is this is but a proposition...can it or will it become reality?....Therein lies the REAL question. It could infact draw out another 10 years or so for all we know...but it LOOKS good to the small % of the public one constantly has to appease to to avoid "tantrums" and backlash. And truth be told, if the implementation is fundamentally ignored/ rejected or instills backlash by the bulk of buyers, it becomes dead in the water, and or something gets compromised...you CANNOT just say its my way or the highway...look at the reaction to vaccine mandates.

Ford's stake is worth $12 billion. I still can't understand how these new start-ups that have very little assets and very small amounts of vehicles on the road can outdo Ford and GM! I think I'll start hyping a water powered vehicle.

On a side note: Is that GM's new logo? Talk about emasculating a company!

Smart people

Thanks for all your help!!

It gets really tricky to try and separate what is or isn’t covered by a federal contract. My company just said it applies to everybody but has made it easy to get an exemption (for now).

Less pollution is always a good thing. BEV's may not be the best way there. COP26 I see as a farce. How many thousands? Don't these people work? Lets tax the working class for carbon, we'll make a fortune. Best develop a taste for tofu because meat will be tabu! Here in the great white north (That isn't politically incorrect now I hope) the trees are stunted from hug marks. I might make 2040, then concede and get a BE wheelchair.

Looks like my next pickup in 2040+ will be a Tundra instead of a F-150.

A great big Thank You! to the kind Ford employees running and maintaining the Blue Oval Forums. You were a huge help with providing information about the build process, tracking my build, and just managing my anxiety levels over the past few months. I ordered my 2022 F-250 Lariat, Crew Cab, Antimatter Blue, 4x4, Short Bed in March 2021; removed Adaptive Steering in July 2021, and picked it up in October 2021. Since delivery, I've added a Retrax Tonneau Cover, Duramax Mud Flaps, WeatherTech Floor Liners, and replaced the antenna. I am extremely happy with the truck and looking forward to next season when we'll use "Big Blue" to haul our travel trailer all over the state and beyond. Here are some pictures. If you are still waiting for yours, hopefully this gives you some hope that your truck will indeed arrive.

WTF about the obsession over 0-60 mph times. Who wants their head rammed into head rest violently. Most major streets are 35-45mph. I guess you buy a BEV to go 0-60 in 3 seconds and have neck pain the rest of your life. With this kind of power and no switch gear to even adjust an air vent, driving is going to be more dangerous, not less. Now Joe Blow can accelerate like an F1 race car and fiddle with menu screen at same time. God help us. And have his worldly possessions in the truck bed to boot.

Meet the new stock market where companies are evaluated on wishes and dreams rather than sound profit potential.

No Corsairs have an engine cover for any model. It was part of Lincoln's decontenting.

Yikes, (sobbing inside). Thanks man.. talk to ya in about a month or heck maybe next year.. ? Kinda putting the binders on ordering the explorer st and the mustang gt..