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http://www.carscoops.com/2013/03/lincoln-accepts-its-fate-and-launches.html

 

 

Lincoln said the 2013 MKS Livery sedan starts MSRP of $43,865 and will be available in AWD and FWD versions, with three different types of product packages. According to the company, fleet discount incentive for the MKS is $3,000 per vehicle, the same as on the MKT Town Car.

 

The automaker noted that it will allow QVM-certified manufacturers to extend the MKS sedan up to 4-to-6 inches "based on Ford engineering recommendations".

 

 

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"We listened to market needs to enable the Lincoln MKT Town Car to become a worthy successor to the Town Car Executive L, and now look forward to doing the same with the new MKS Livery sedan," said Matt VanDyke, Director, Lincoln Global."....

 

He is suffering from bad hearing...

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I've already seen a few 2013 "Town Cars" in Washington, D.C. and they are perfect for this role once they catch on. My dealership uses a Flex as a shuttle and it's so roomy and comfortable! It makes sense to have an MKS version too, just like there are fleet versions of the Taurus and Explorer Interceptors. In my opinion they should add a livery Flex too! Also here in the D.C. area I've been seeing a lot of non-police uses of Explorer and Taurus Intercepters for government fleets. Maximize D3 sales.

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Hmmm....MKT limo, and now MKS limo. Maybe Lincoln should change its name from Lincoln Motor Company to Lincoln Livery Company. Navigator is also a favorite of Limo Companies. That is disappointing news.

How is this disappointing?? Cadillac is likewise committed to the Livery market. It is a valuable segment to their business model.

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How is this disappointing?? Cadillac is likewise committed to the Livery market. It is a valuable segment to their business model.

 

Lincoln is down to 5 vehicle lineup, and THREE are limos or becoming limos. Not my idea of a desirable luxury car maker. Just shows you how weak the Lincoln lineup is right now that they have to get into livery market to keep the MKT, MKS, and Navigator going somehow.

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Why is Ford releasing a livery version of the MKS in standard wheelbase when the market is asking for a Town Car replacement.

I don't think that Ford is listening to the right people, otherwise MKT Town car would have been a much better success.

This looks like Ford trying option "B" instead of actually tailoring a Town Car replacement.

 

An MKS with 117.9" wheelbase would be a more appropriate Town Car replacement to meet Livery market requirements,

those asking why Lincoln (Ford) is even considering Liveries should consider the size of the market and the money to be made...

 

1. Replace MKT with Explorer based Aviator

2. Allow FoA to develop a LWB version of Falcon as a new Town Car replacement ( the numbers don't have to be huge)

3. Allow Lincoln to develop CD4 version of MKS as a predominantly retail oriented vehicle

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Why is Ford releasing a livery version of the MKS in standard wheelbase when the market is asking for a Town Car replacement.

I don't think that Ford is listening to the right people, otherwise MKT Town car would have been a much better success.

This looks like Ford trying option "B" instead of actually tailoring a Town Car replacement.

 

An MKS with 117.9" wheelbase would be a more appropriate Town Car replacement to meet Livery market requirements,

those asking why Lincoln (Ford) is even considering Liveries should consider the size of the market and the money to be made...

 

Probably because MKT and MKS sales are so dismal, even just after MCE. It's like they have thrown in the towel on selling the Navigator, MKS, and especially the MKT as a desirable retail sale. They are basically turning 3/5ths of their lineup into livery queens.

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After Town Car died, representatives from the Livery market were brought in and asked if they would prefer a MKS or MKT variant instead. MKT won the vote, and development started on the 2013 MKT Town Car. Sales haven't lived up to the research, and since retail MKS sales aren't setting the world on fire, this seems like a no-brainer.

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Probably because MKT and MKS sales are so dismal, even just after MCE. It's like they have thrown in the towel on selling the Navigator, MKS, and especially the MKT as a desirable retail sale. They are basically turning 3/5ths of their lineup into livery queens.

 

They're making livery versions of vehicles that are approaching the end of their lives and/or have replacements on the horizon - so what? I don't see it as that big a deal.

 

1. Replace MKT with Explorer based Aviator

2. Allow FoA to develop a LWB version of Falcon as a new Town Car replacement ( the numbers don't have to be huge)

3. Allow Lincoln to develop CD4 version of MKS as a predominantly retail oriented vehicle

 

Well, at least 1 and 3 are in the works.

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Probably because MKT and MKS sales are so dismal, even just after MCE. It's like they have thrown in the towel on selling the Navigator, MKS, and especially the MKT as a desirable retail sale. They are basically turning 3/5ths of their lineup into livery queens.

To be a "livery Queen", you first need to attract a lot of sales....none of those vehicles does that.

This is nothing more than ass covering for products that refuse to sell at acceptable levels.

 

Why not give FoA a nice Town Car contract, something they can build mostly to order and some inventory

and satisfy the market with a purpose built vehicle that doesn't draw from any other North American product.

That way, the profile of the Livery Town car and some private Town Car sales has far less influence on how

the rest of the Lincoln Range is presented.

 

I would be much more comfortable about the business case for FoA building Town Cars than Holden building Chevrolet SS

To me it's Holden presenting a reconfigured Pontiac G8 where as a Falcon based Town car would probably win back a lot of

Livery car buyers, give Australia some more production ...and maybe win back some RWD / Panther fans too...

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Why is Ford releasing a livery version of the MKS in standard wheelbase when the market is asking for a Town Car replacement.

 

For the same reason they will not build the Explorer-EL you keep asking for. Building a LWB version of a MkS or Explorer is not an inexpensive proposition. Doing a LWB MkS for very limited fleet sales is putting good money after bad.

 

I see quite a few MkTownCars. On average I'd say one a day, often more.

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For the same reason they will not build the Explorer-EL you keep asking for. Building a LWB version of a MkS or Explorer is not an inexpensive proposition. Doing a LWB MkS for very limited fleet sales is putting good money after bad.

And I keep telling you that the engineering for LWB D3 is already done and manifest in Flex and MKT,

turning them into Explorer EL and LWB Aviator is not the mountain you think

 

 

Doing a LWB MkS for very limited fleet sales is putting good money after bad.

It is not as bad as you make out and acts more as incremental sales than a separate unique vehicle.

Done properly, a LWB MKS becomes a true large luxury vehicle and becomes much more than a livery vehicle,

Think Jaguar XJ...7 Series ect...

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And I keep telling you that the engineering for LWB D3 is already done and manifest in Flex and MKT,

turning them into Explorer EL and LWB Aviator is not the mountain you think

 

 

It is not as bad as you make out and acts more as incremental sales than a separate unique vehicle.

Done properly, a LWB MKS becomes a true large luxury vehicle and becomes much more than a livery vehicle,

Think Jaguar XJ...7 Series ect...

 

agree

imho the only mistake would be continuing the MKT

imho2 it woulda been better to do the E386 from the start

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The issue is not the engineering, it's the extra tooling.

But before that happens, Ford has to 1) admit that Flex / MKT is a mistake and 2) see value in changing to something else

 

As much as I would like to see Explorer EL and a LWB navigator, sense tells me that OakVille will be switching to CD4 based products

which also gives Ford the opportunity to review the style of Edge / MKX as well as Flex / MKT vehicles produced there.

It may well be that solutions are already in hand and better execution of said products will yield better results...

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One of the problems that I see with the MKT, especially as a livery vehicle, is it's look. The thing looks like a scaled down styleized hearse. When someone hires a car, they generally do not want the neighbors to think that the local funeral director is stopping by to pick up a body. In the livery market looks can matter. Even though the MKS is not the best looker out there, since it is styled as a car I feel that it will do much better than the MKT.

 

And just my opinion, Lincoln needs to ditch the current front end styling if they want to increase sales. The grilles remind me of the grin of the Cheshire Cat, and not in an attractive way. The new MKZ is the worst offender - the front detracts from the rest of the look.

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And just my opinion, Lincoln needs to ditch the current front end styling if they want to increase sales. The grilles remind me of the grin of the Cheshire Cat, and not in an attractive way. The new MKZ is the worst offender - the front detracts from the rest of the look.

 

The MKZ represents the "ditching" of the current front end styling, and hasn't sold much due to low inventory, and you already want to write it off as a failure?

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Why is Ford releasing a livery version of the MKS in standard wheelbase when the market is asking for a Town Car replacement.
You missed the most important statement !

The automaker noted that it will allow QVM-certified manufacturers to extend the MKS sedan up to 4-to-6 inches "based on Ford engineering recommendations".

I ave been crying for this for a long time now !

 

They used to slice the old Panther Towne Cars in half to make "stretch" limos, so this is nothing new. This will be a "game change" in the current livery market and it can not happen soon enough !

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