rmc523 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 That's exactly what I meant in that post but changed it later. Ah.....well that wouldn't seem very efficient to me production wise. They'd essentially be designing two different vehicles at that point, no? As opposed to designing one and extending it to a 4 door (I know it's not that simple, but still)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Ah.....well that wouldn't seem very efficient to me production wise. They'd essentially be designing two different vehicles at that point, no? As opposed to designing one and extending it to a 4 door (I know it's not that simple, but still)? To be honest I was just rambling. Slow day at work. I wouldn't put too much thought into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Ah.....well that wouldn't seem very efficient to me production wise. They'd essentially be designing two different vehicles at that point, no? As opposed to designing one and extending it to a 4 door (I know it's not that simple, but still)? I'm sure there is going to be multiple frame lengths for the Ranger to be able to accommodate the various cab/bed configurations. Pick 2 for the Bronco that best suits a 2 and 4 door model and engineer accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I'm sure there is going to be multiple frame lengths for the Ranger to be able to accommodate the various cab/bed configurations. Pick 2 for the Bronco that best suits a 2 and 4 door model and engineer accordingly. Exactly. My point was that it wouldn't make sense to engineer a "basic" 2-door model with removable doors and roof, and then engineer a completely different "traditional" 4-door model that has fully enclosed (non removable) doors and a solid roof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) All of this is being driven by customer feedback that tells Ford those buyers want "rugged" looking SUVs to go wth the existing unitary soft roaders. So I think Ford will be open to versions that underscore those differences and could include things mentioned (removable doors / hatches) - a two door version on a shorter wheelbase would probably act as a great counterpoint against Escape while allowing the longer wheelbase four door to occupy the traditional BOF Explorer space and go to work there. The potential to grow sales in another direction and worry less about car sales.. If this goes to plan, we'll see that re-balance away from cars increase. Edited January 13, 2017 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron W. Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Lots of maybe this and lots of maybe that. Me I'm just hoping we get to see one soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jpd80 Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) Following on from the other thread where i showed that like for like, T6 Ranger is similar weight to Colorado (LINK) An evolved version of T6 is therefore more than a match for any of GM or Toyota's Mid sized truck offerings. Making Bronco a derivative adds up to big savings over a dedicated platform, it's money that doesn't have to be recovered while delivering a very different Utility that Ford's buyers have been asking for, that's gotta be a win-win. Edited January 14, 2017 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) Looks like R&T has a slightly different take on what the 2019 Ranger and 2020 Bronco will be. They seem to think the first vehicles sold here will be nothing more than slightly restyled for the US versions of the current T6 Ranger and Everest. Then, depending on how well they sell, we could get the next gen versions. Looks like they are still buying what the "designer" on Reddit is saying. Doesn't make sense to me but whatever...that guy could very well be an "insider" but he probably works for GM or FCA. http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a31079/new-ford-bronco-ranger-details/ Edit: Changed link to more recent R&T article. This one sounds better but still relies somewhat on Redditor. Edited January 23, 2017 by blksn8k2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildosvt Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Looks like R&T has a slightly different take on what the 2019 Ranger and 2020 Bronco will be. They seem to think the first vehicles sold here will be nothing more than slightly restyled for the US versions of the current T6 Ranger and Everest. Then, depending on how well they sell, we could get the next gen versions. Looks like they are still buying what the "designer" on Reddit is saying. Doesn't make sense to me but whatever...that guy could very well be an "insider" but he probably works for GM or FCA. http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a31079/new-ford-bronco-ranger-details/ Edit: Changed link to more recent R&T article. This one sounds better but still relies somewhat on Redditor. "Ford's Chief Technical Officer Raj Nair, however, contradicted that assertion. According to him, the new Bronco will be a unique vehicle, not a reworked Everest. Size-wise, he said expect something smaller than the Bronco II but bigger than the original Bronco. " That doesn't sound right at all.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 The Bronco II was pretty small, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 The Bronco II was pretty small, no? Bronco II was based on the old Ranger Platform and was small The Bronco of the same era was based on the F-150 and bigger..but as frame of reference: 1996 Bronco Wheelbase 104.7 in Length 183.6 in Width 79.1 in 1990 Bronco II Wheelbase 94.0 in Length 1983-1988: 158.3 in 1989-1990: 161.9 in Width 68.0 in 2016 Escape Wheelbase 105.9 in Length 178.1 in Width 72.4 in IMO the new Bronco is going to be roughly the size of the Edge next go around: 2016 Ford Everest Wheelbase 112.2 Length 192.6 Width 73.3 2016 Ford Edge Wheelbase 112.2 in Length 188.1 in Width 75.9 in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Bronco II was based on the old Ranger Platform and was small The Bronco of the same era was based on the F-150 and bigger..but as frame of reference: 1990 Bronco II Wheelbase 94.0 in Length 1983-1988: 158.3 in 1989-1990: 161.9 in Width 68.0 in The '96 Bronco isn't really relevant. The '76 Bronco's specs are, as best I could find: Wheelbase 92" Length: 152" Width: 69" Height: 71" There's not a lot of room to be bigger than the original Bronco and smaller than the Bronco II. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 There's not a lot of room to be bigger than the original Bronco and smaller than the Bronco II. I'm thinking he was misquoted or he got his Bronco Generations mixed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Yes, the Bronco II was a pretty small vehicle, unless he's referring to a 2-door variant of the new Bronco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisH Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 I think he meant "second generation" Bronco. That one was based on the F150. So, bigger than the original, but smaller than the second generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 I think he meant "second generation" Bronco. That one was based on the F150. So, bigger than the original, but smaller than the second generation. Road and Track's quote: Size-wise, he said the new Bronco will slot between the first and second generation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 I never would have guessed that the Bronco II had a wheelbase that was actually 2" longer than that of the original. BTW, has there been any mention of the next Ranger (and Bronco) being any wider than the current T6? Everything I have seen recently seems to indicate not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Road and Track's quote: The problem is we have two contradictory indirect quotes from R&T. One article references first and second generation Broncos, but the other references the Bronco II. Yay, precision journalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Exactly, based on same platform as NG Ranger & Everest rules out a Bronco II sized vehicle which would be more Escape sized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 The problem is we have two contradictory indirect quotes from R&T. One article references first and second generation Broncos, but the other references the Bronco II. Yay, precision journalism. Latest quote from edmunds.com.... What the heck is a Bronco? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 The Bronco 2 is absolutely tiny... baby ranger tiny. Is it even possible to make a smaller SUV? Certainly wouldn't have 4 doors... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 I don't think they were referring to the Bronco II as the second generation. What he should have said was that the new one would be sized between the '77 and '78 Broncos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 I would favour the idea of a two door body to stay true to Bronco's origins but then, maybe add some suicide doors as a way of adding practicality without declaring it a four door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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