fuzzymoomoo Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 I dont think theres a snowballs chance in hell of a v-8 in any car or SUV - Ford or Lincoln - other than the Mustang from here forward. I dont see any new V-8s being developed either. - just more improvements to the Coyote for the Mustang/F 150. theres the 7x engine about to start production next year for HD trucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader 10 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 I was referring to the non HD truck line-up. I wonder if an enhanced 6.2 for the F250/350 is part of the 7x development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 I was referring to the non HD truck line-up. I wonder if an enhanced 6.2 for the F250/350 is part of the 7x development. And yet an enhanced 7.0 liter version of the 6.2 was used in racing as part of the 777 program (7 liters, 7,000 rpm, 700 hp.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 3.0 HEV may be the engine of Mach 1. And the 3.3 HEV some unique engine for some Lincoln variant. I don't think Ford can take back the decision to make Lincoln as big and relevant as Audi. Radical, the Mach 1 is a BEV, there will be no hybrid version. To answer another question you asked earlier in the thread, "E1" is a moniker that bzcat gave to the EV chassis so we have a way to refer to it. It's not 'official' Ford nomenclature. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadicalX Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Radical, the Mach 1 is a BEV, there will be no hybrid version. To answer another question you asked earlier in the thread, "E1" is a moniker that bzcat gave to the EV chassis so we have a way to refer to it. It's not 'official' Ford nomenclature. interesting not to find any engine described as "BEV" on the paper that is pages behind. Only the "HEV", which must be "hybrid electric vehicle". Should be produced in china, perhaps, beacuse there is the largest demand of electrics in the world! What do you think, huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 interesting not to find any engine described as "BEV" on the paper that is pages behind. Only the "HEV", which must be "hybrid electric vehicle". Should be produced in china, perhaps, beacuse there is the largest demand of electrics in the world! What do you think, huh? If you mean in China, for China then yes. The days of building in the US and shipping to China I feel are numbered based on some of the stuff the Chinese government is doing regarding imports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 interesting not to find any engine described as "BEV" on the paper that is pages behind. Why would a BEV need oil? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadicalX Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Why would a BEV need oil? oh, so we only have this paper because some oil supplier let it leak out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 oh, so we only have this paper because some oil supplier let it leak out Either that or its an internal note for the engineers to reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 oh, so we only have this paper because some oil supplier let it leak out It’s an internal document that discusses oil specifications and testing parameters. A BEV does not have an engine - it has an electric motor. It does not use oil. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 I was referring to the non HD truck line-up. I wonder if an enhanced 6.2 for the F250/350 is part of the 7x development. . Maybe a 6.4L version of the 7X Windsor motor for F250/350.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Edge and Nautilus continue on CD4 for now - maybe next gen moves to CD6. Edge definitely goes to CD6, I just learned that today, and it will look more evolutionary than revolutionary, but not in an Alpha Camaro way if that makes any sense. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02MustangGT Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 So next-gen Edge will appear larger and weigh more? Because Alpha Camaro is an evolutionary design versus previous gen Camaro but appears smaller and weighs less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) So next-gen Edge will appear larger and weigh more? Because Alpha Camaro is an evolutionary design versus previous gen Camaro but appears smaller and weighs less. Im talking strictly styling. Its a clear evolution from the 2019 but unlike the Alpha Camaro it doesnt look a ton like what its replacing. I dont know if Im in the minority or not but I think the Alpha Camaro looks almost identical to what it replaced. I know nothing about drivetrain and dimensions. Edited February 19, 2018 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Im talking strictly styling. Its a clear evolution from the 2019 but unlike the Alpha Camaro it doesnt look a ton like what its replacing. I dont know if Im in the minority or not but I think the Alpha Camaro looks almost identical to what it replaced. I know nothing about drivetrain and dimensions. It’s very difficult to tell the old one from the new one unless they’re side by side. But the new one has better proportions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 It’s very difficult to tell the old one from the new one unless they’re side by side. But the new one has better proportions. Yeah the new Edge will clearly look like a new model but won't be a dramatic departure from the current one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02MustangGT Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Why mess with success? Current Edge looks great and sells well. Alpha Camaro does look different than the previous gen. Its not that difficult to tell the difference between the two models. As far as sales go, Im not certain it comes close to meeting the target. We all know why... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pffan1990 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 So the next Edge/Nautilus will actually be rear drive/4x4? Kinda surprises me considering that it was a success as FWD/AWD. This could potentially mean that next Fusion goes CD6 too or just stretched next Focus. Do you know of any timetable of when next Edge/Nautilus will be as far as CD6? I'm really looking forward to this architecture now and just wait for the day they announce it with details and such. Wow!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Why mess with success? Current Edge looks great and sells well. Because....hybrid and platform sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 So the next Edge/Nautilus will actually be rear drive/4x4? Kinda surprises me considering that it was a success as FWD/AWD. This could potentially mean that next Fusion goes CD6 too or just stretched next Focus. Do you know of any timetable of when next Edge/Nautilus will be as far as CD6? I'm really looking forward to this architecture now and just wait for the day they announce it with details and such. Wow!! Like I said, I know nothing of powertrain or dimensions but it sounds as if its stayin FWD/AWD. 2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Wow, sounds like Ford is drawing the CD6 line across even more products than we expected, is this the beginning of Ford resurgence in the next few years....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Wow, sounds like Ford is drawing the CD6 line across even more products than we expected, is this the beginning of Ford resurgence in the next few years....... Like I said earlier... the sheer volume that's being shifted to CD6 is staggering. If they get it right, the potential is amazing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 And yet an enhanced 7.0 liter version of the 6.2 was used in racing as part of the 777 program (7 liters, 7,000 rpm, 700 hp.) IIRC, the 777 was a "one off" and only ran a few passes at a drag strip. Last I knew, the 777 was resting comfortably on a dolly in the lobby of one of the Ford engineering buildings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 The thing is they won't be using the same platform-The crash cell is completely different for a coupe vs four door SUV. What will be shared is this: Front/rear end suspensions powertrains Harnesses The Mustang will share its "platform" with the MKZ and Continental. The CUV platform will be different. I don't now how a FWD and RWD implementation of the CD6 can use the exact same front suspension ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 All I have to say is it better be a great architecture with so many well respected models riding on it. I consider it an appropriate step forward but they had better execute it effectively, or dare I say flawlessly. Agree 100 % ! About 30 years a go, I worked with a fellow engineer at Ford who went on to design the the suspension on the first Ford GT (not the GT40). At a lunch table conversation one day, he said the big difference between EU cars and and US cars that made them ride and drive better was suspension travel. Most US vehicles have only about 6" of total travel (before hitting the bump stops) while EU vehicles have at least 8" of total travel. Suspension travel is good for sedans, sports cars and trucks (look at the Raptor). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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