joseodiaga4 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 https://burlappcar.com/2024/04/2025-ford-mustang-mach-e.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Different bumper...not sure what else has changed on it. Hopefully maybe a move to a 800V system so it can charge faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseodiaga4 Posted April 5 Author Share Posted April 5 2 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: Different bumper...not sure what else has changed on it. Hopefully maybe a move to a 800V system so it can charge faster. maybe the headlights a bit? On the other hand, Why there isn't a Lincoln version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 57 minutes ago, joseodiaga4 said: maybe the headlights a bit? On the other hand, Why there isn't a Lincoln version? Borg reported that they were going to do a Lincoln version, but it was canned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgeh Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 24 minutes ago, rmc523 said: Borg reported that they were going to do a Lincoln version, but it was canned. Hard to keep track these days of all the Lincoln things that have been canned. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseodiaga4 Posted April 5 Author Share Posted April 5 (edited) 26 minutes ago, rmc523 said: Borg reported that they were going to do a Lincoln version, but it was canned. Yeah but why? it makes no sense, most of the luxury brands have a vehicle in that segment Edited April 5 by joseodiaga4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 16 minutes ago, Gurgeh said: Hard to keep track these days of all the Lincoln things that have been canned. Some even before they were built. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 16 minutes ago, joseodiaga4 said: Yeah but why? it makes no sense, most of the luxury brands have a vehicle in that segment Every vehicle/project has a cost and an expected ROI (return on investment) based on volume and pricing and production costs and that has to be compared with other projects competing for the same resources. It’s never just a sales question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseodiaga4 Posted April 5 Author Share Posted April 5 9 minutes ago, akirby said: Every vehicle/project has a cost and an expected ROI (return on investment) based on volume and pricing and production costs and that has to be compared with other projects competing for the same resources. It’s never just a sales question. Yeah, everything is about the ROI and the total revenue and profit for each vehicle, not only sales, but are you telling me that Ford can’t find a way to make it profitable and others do? Well, considering all the mismanagement that is happening lately it is not surprise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 19 minutes ago, joseodiaga4 said: but are you telling me that Ford can’t find a way to make it profitable and others do? No. I’m saying they have better things to spend time and money on. At any given time they probably have a dozen or more projects with a positive ROI that could be done but they’re all below the line which means resources were given to higher priority projects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseodiaga4 Posted April 5 Author Share Posted April 5 34 minutes ago, akirby said: No. I’m saying they have better things to spend time and money on. At any given time they probably have a dozen or more projects with a positive ROI that could be done but they’re all below the line which means resources were given to higher priority projects. Ok, but on what projects? The delayed EVs? we are not seeing anything new so far instead 🙃 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Interesting decision to invest in a refresh, especially if we're still on to see a second gen mach-e in 2026. Unless they decide to push that back, which is a real possibility, doing a refresh this late in the game seems wasteful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 13 minutes ago, DeluxeStang said: Interesting decision to invest in a refresh, especially if we're still on to see a second gen mach-e in 2026. Unless they decide to push that back, which is a real possibility, doing a refresh this late in the game seems wasteful. well, given it’s Ford, they’ll probably give a minor refresh and leave it on the market for 6 more years, sales will dry up and Ford will sit there wondering why a 10+ year old product isn’t selling lol 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) Imagine how embarrassing it would be for Ford to cancel Mach E after one product cycle, they can’t bring themselves to do that and perhaps trying with better GE2 package will succeed. Honestly, put the 3- row things back at Cuautitlan and give Oakville something better to build on a faster timetable. Edited April 5 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 2 hours ago, rmc523 said: well, given it’s Ford, they’ll probably give a minor refresh and leave it on the market for 6 more years, sales will dry up and Ford will sit there wondering why a 10+ year old product isn’t selling lol More like make excuses by calling it a commodity product 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 I can’t spot any differences. guessing the “grille” area might look a bit different since it’s the only thing covered. Not sure why the rest of the camo was needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExplorerDude Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 6 hours ago, DeluxeStang said: Interesting decision to invest in a refresh, especially if we're still on to see a second gen mach-e in 2026. Unless they decide to push that back, which is a real possibility, doing a refresh this late in the game seems wasteful. Next gen has been delayed and pushed back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 46 minutes ago, ExplorerDude said: Next gen has been delayed and pushed back. Interesting, so they're probably in the early design/engineering phase for the second gen I'm guessing, not super far along. That's assuming they've started development at all. Hopefully Ford doesn't canceled the second gen outright due to slow sales, the mach-e did a lot to give Ford's EVs an aspirational image. Let's hope they don't just walk away from that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 20 hours ago, T-dubz said: I can’t spot any differences. guessing the “grille” area might look a bit different since it’s the only thing covered. Not sure why the rest of the camo was needed. They've also haven't had the best track record with often showing photoshops of vehicles as spy shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) 22 hours ago, ExplorerDude said: Next gen has been delayed and pushed back. Word is that everything (BEV) is now getting pushed back, so maybe some “missing hybrid” versions of existing vehicles now become possible in the next year or so… Remember that this is Ford and like most things will probably overcompensate in another direction to act as a distraction from the mess that’s piling up on the Model E side….. A small wager that perhaps Model E will be used to bundle up a ton of BEV losses that can be written off over the coming years…while transferring continuing projects back under Ford Blue where expenses can be better managed as extensions under existing platform cost centres. Remembering that if the skunkworks vehicles are a big financial success, a lot of the BEV engineering and development section under Model E then becomes redundant as smaller BEV teams show much better efficiency and quicker delivery times. Edited April 7 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pffan1990 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 3 hours ago, jpd80 said: Remembering that if the skunkworks vehicles are a big financial success, a lot of the BEV engineering and development section under Model E then becomes redundant as smaller BEV teams show much better efficiency and quicker delivery times. How ironic regarding the BEV redundancies compared to possible success to skunkworks team considering Ford had just reduced the ICE engineering workforce due to redundancies. lol But I've seen where Doug Field, having been involved with skunkworks team and T3 project, will bring over much of skunkworks onto the T3. It's a good thing because whatever the skunkworks have figured out to keep costs low and selling price low could be applied to the T3. Perhaps that's one reason why the T3 was delayed by one year. Apparently it won't be called 'F-150 Lightning' either, according to CFO Lawler. Perhaps the 'F-150 Thunder' name will be used as that was trademarked some time ago. Hopefully the skunkworks methods can soon be applied to the current generation BEVs as part of updates/refresh if it's possible. This would include the Mustang Mach-E (keeping with this thread topic), F-150 Lightning, and E-Transit. https://fordauthority.com/2024/04/next-gen-ford-f-150-ev-will-benefit-from-low-cost-platform/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 I think skunkworks was more about finding ways to cut costs in all aspects from batteries to electronics to the assembly process. Those can be applied to everything going forward. I don’t see it making anything else redundant. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 6 minutes ago, akirby said: I think skunkworks was more about finding ways to cut costs in all aspects from batteries to electronics to the assembly process. Those can be applied to everything going forward. I don’t see it making anything else redundant. Based on Ford's history, my concern is that this so-called "skunkworks" is going to be another program that gets bogged down with little to show for it, and at least for now is nothing more than a smoke and mirrors scenario. We'll probably never know, but I'm hoping that really is a viable and worthy program and not something that got sold under the "Ford has a better idea!" theme. I'll reserve judgement until we know more or see some actual results that are productive overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 hour ago, ice-capades said: Based on Ford's history, my concern is that this so-called "skunkworks" is going to be another program that gets bogged down with little to show for it, and at least for now is nothing more than a smoke and mirrors scenario. We'll probably never know, but I'm hoping that really is a viable and worthy program and not something that got sold under the "Ford has a better idea!" theme. I'll reserve judgement until we know more or see some actual results that are productive overall. I’m more hopeful based on the people involved (outsiders) and the fact it’s a clean slate environment. The dangers are Ford cutting corners to save money before things are fully implemented or if the cost assumptions end up being wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 2 hours ago, ice-capades said: Based on Ford's history, my concern is that this so-called "skunkworks" is going to be another program that gets bogged down with little to show for it, and at least for now is nothing more than a smoke and mirrors scenario..... Well, the Ford GT and Mustang GTD were skunkworks programs and both turned out pretty damn good. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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