fuzzymoomoo Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 17 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: If anything, I'd expect an EV Ranger and Bronco to go there first, since it will be building an EV pickup already. Given the timing with the Mach E with it approaching 7-8 years on the market by the time the three rows come out, it might be just easier to replace that and move the Mach E to the new skunkworks small EV. That’s what I was thinking as well. Seems like the Mach-E is a 1 Gen and done program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew L Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 3 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: That’s what I was thinking as well. Seems like the Mach-E is a 1 Gen and done program. I wonder if they will keep the name or not for its replacement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted July 18 Author Share Posted July 18 54 minutes ago, ExplorerDude said: You read my mind! Yes, I think the Super Duty being added to OAP is also a “response” to the toxic UAW negotiations last year and the KTP being the first plant to go down on strike. That hurt Ford badly being the company’s single most profitable plant in the world. Ford had prioritized F-Series production to be exclusively in the US for a long time. I think Bill Ford and Farley felt personally burned by the UAW’s tactic to go after that plant first and this decision was a direct reflection of that. But the UAW can’t really complain as the added Super Duty production is going to Canada to a Unifor plant and not to a spot in Mexico. Ultimately Ford wins on multiple fronts here and so does OAP. You’re totally right and I remember Ford saying how they have to rethink where they’re gonna put production going forward. That was just part of the contract dispute but I really do feel it was a factor. OAC is huge like Kentucky Truck and empty so I guess it works for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazerdude20 Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 42 minutes ago, Oac98 said: You’re totally right and I remember Ford saying how they have to rethink where they’re gonna put production going forward. That was just part of the contract dispute but I really do feel it was a factor. OAC is huge like Kentucky Truck and empty so I guess it works for them. IIRC the F-150 and Superduty share a cab as well. I wonder if we don't eventually see some F-150 production mixed in there as a safeguard against future strikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 48 minutes ago, Oac98 said: You’re totally right and I remember Ford saying how they have to rethink where they’re gonna put production going forward. That was just part of the contract dispute but I really do feel it was a factor. OAC is huge like Kentucky Truck and empty so I guess it works for them. Agreed. Mr. Fain is about to realize that actions have consequences. Maybe not the only reason they're shifting production of the Super Duty to OAC, but one of them, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 This may or may not apply to the SD "multi-energy" talk: Spy photos: Ford testing heavier-duty F-150 Lightning EV with hub motors? - Autoblog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted July 18 Author Share Posted July 18 30 minutes ago, mackinaw said: Agreed. Mr. Fain is about to realize that actions have consequences. Maybe not the only reason they're shifting production of the Super Duty to OAC, but one of them, I def think it’s a factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew L Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 1 hour ago, Oac98 said: You’re totally right and I remember Ford saying how they have to rethink where they’re gonna put production going forward. That was just part of the contract dispute but I really do feel it was a factor. OAC is huge like Kentucky Truck and empty so I guess it works for them. I am not familiar with how the contract works but are they "allowed" to build a plant in a right to work state? Or will it automatically be a union plant just because. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 11 minutes ago, Andrew L said: I am not familiar with how the contract works but are they "allowed" to build a plant in a right to work state? Or will it automatically be a union plant just because. Tennessee is a right to work state so there’s your answer (BOC). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew L Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 1 minute ago, akirby said: Tennessee is a right to work state so there’s your answer (BOC). Will those workers be unionized or non union? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 44 minutes ago, rmc523 said: This may or may not apply to the SD "multi-energy" talk: Spy photos: Ford testing heavier-duty F-150 Lightning EV with hub motors? - Autoblog I was wondering the same after I read that. Funny these pics came out, coinciding with this announcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 8 minutes ago, Andrew L said: Will those workers be unionized or non union? People from Lightning assembly at Mich Truck Plant get priority to move there in the latest contract, so yes I'm guessing at least the assembly plant will be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 read into this as you please....hybrid/ EV tech coming Superduty way? Public Affairs F-Series Super Duty Production Expands to Canada, with Future Multi-Energy Technology Ford Motor Company earlier today made an exciting announcement that we are expanding Super Duty production at our Oakville Assembly Complex in Ontario, starting in 2026. This move initially adds 100,000 units of Super Duty production to meet customer demand. In addition, we shared that we will add multi-energy technology to Super Duty in the future, in support of our electrification plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 Great news for Oakville for sure, but lets hope they don't pull production out of Avon Lake to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 18 minutes ago, tbone said: I was wondering the same after I read that. Funny these pics came out, coinciding with this announcement. I'd imagine that's more T3 "Lightning" than for SD, though. We'll see! 8 minutes ago, Deanh said: read into this as you please....hybrid/ EV tech coming Superduty way? Public Affairs F-Series Super Duty Production Expands to Canada, with Future Multi-Energy Technology Ford Motor Company earlier today made an exciting announcement that we are expanding Super Duty production at our Oakville Assembly Complex in Ontario, starting in 2026. This move initially adds 100,000 units of Super Duty production to meet customer demand. In addition, we shared that we will add multi-energy technology to Super Duty in the future, in support of our electrification plans. FWIW given the source, but Borg is saying it's a range extending series Hybrid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted July 18 Author Share Posted July 18 39 minutes ago, Andrew L said: I am not familiar with how the contract works but are they "allowed" to build a plant in a right to work state? Or will it automatically be a union plant just because. BOC and I assume union will try to organize there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 20 minutes ago, Oac98 said: BOC and I assume union will try to organize there I was very happy to see this for you and your counterparts. This will certainly be a stable product for you guys. Let’s hope they beat their timeline of getting up and running. My gut says, like others have suggested here, Oakville appears to be a beneficiary of UAWs hardball tactics, and you are now part of Ford’s production diversification plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captainp4 Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 Interested in electrified sooper poopy.... hopefully that means bev and not a hybrid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 2 hours ago, Oac98 said: You’re totally right and I remember Ford saying how they have to rethink where they’re gonna put production going forward. That was just part of the contract dispute but I really do feel it was a factor. OAC is huge like Kentucky Truck and empty so I guess it works for them. 1 hour ago, blazerdude20 said: IIRC the F-150 and Superduty share a cab as well. I wonder if we don't eventually see some F-150 production mixed in there as a safeguard against future strikes. 1 hour ago, mackinaw said: Agreed. Mr. Fain is about to realize that actions have consequences. Maybe not the only reason they're shifting production of the Super Duty to OAC, but one of them, You guys are reading too much into this. It’s supplemental production because KTP and OHAP are both at capacity and can’t keep up, plus with the added benefit of being a blank slate to add the electrified bits without having to shoehorn it into an existing process. It’s a lot like when FRAP was building Fusions because Hermosillo couldn’t keep up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 9 minutes ago, Captainp4 said: Interested in electrified sooper poopy.... hopefully that means bev and not a hybrid. given the Superduty being a gooseneck/ 5 th wheel mainstay Id bet hybrid being the better option....we will see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew L Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 I too am thinking it will be a hybrid of some kind. I am guessing plug-in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew L Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 1 hour ago, rmc523 said: This may or may not apply to the SD "multi-energy" talk: Spy photos: Ford testing heavier-duty F-150 Lightning EV with hub motors? - Autoblog I wonder what's going on with the brakes there. Think they have some kind of new technology or setup they are hiding? No way they are going back to drums lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 10 minutes ago, Andrew L said: I too am thinking it will be a hybrid of some kind. I am guessing plug-in. I thought all along that the 6.8 was an ideal entry point for a hybrid Super Duty. It’s enough engine to carry the mail on its own, but if you pair it with some torquey electric motors, you’ve really got something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 1 hour ago, Andrew L said: Will those workers be unionized or non union? Ford hasn’t committed either way unless it was part of the last minute contract negotiations. Farley basically said we have to wait and see how things shake out and get input from the workers that haven’t been hired yet. It’s also complicated because some of it is a joint venture. I’m sure Ford doesn’t want the UAW especially with the new contract. But I don’t see how the UAW would let that go without a fight. My guess is the vehicle factory will be but the battery plant won’t because of the JV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 8 minutes ago, Andrew L said: I wonder what's going on with the brakes there. Think they have some kind of new technology or setup they are hiding? No way they are going back to drums lol Electric motors in the wheel hub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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