Oac98 Posted July 19 Author Share Posted July 19 4 hours ago, Footballfan said: The three row could perhaps go to Flat Rock where it was first intended to go before it was allocated to OHAP and then OAC. I know FRAP needs a new paint shop, but that was in the plans until it was cancelled immediately after the 2019 UAW contract was ratified. I still believe it will be Mexico or even possibly BOC but anything is possible with Ford. I’ve never seen a product that hasn’t even come out yet get bounced around to different sites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted July 19 Author Share Posted July 19 18 hours ago, mackinaw said: Agreed. Mr. Fain is about to realize that actions have consequences. Maybe not the only reason they're shifting production of the Super Duty to OAC, but one of them, That was the first thing that came to my mind when this was announced, I’m still shocked anyways. Akirby was right on the money when he stated that those EVs weren’t gonna happen at OAC. I have to admit I was shocked by this announcement. Since 2020 they couldn’t even give us an official name of the products so this is an improvement at least we know what we may actually build. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 8 hours ago, Trader 10 said: But why so long? Remember how quickly Ford retooled for the all new aluminum F150. These are new electrified super duties and most likely not a direct swap of the f150 Powerboost system. These trucks may not be ready for production for a couple more years. They aren’t just moving existing super duties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 8 hours ago, Trader 10 said: But why so long? Remember how quickly Ford retooled for the all new aluminum F150. A couple of factors: -It's probably a more complicated redo since it was set up for similar production - If that plant was down too long, it would've hurt the entire company....if they weren't producing, they were at half output at best with 1 plant instead of 2, vs. this is additional production, and current production isn't affected by it. That said, it does seem odd that this move to get Oakville something "sooner" is still 2 years away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 15 minutes ago, rmc523 said: That said, it does seem odd that this move to get Oakville something "sooner" is still 2 years away. The unfortunate thing is that how things are done now. Apparently North America is going through a huge building boom with manufacturing plants due to the expectation that China is going to fall apart in the next decade and there are only so many resources in the area to do this stuff with. I see it first hand with trying to get equipment, we are trying to build a hydraulic tester and the lead time for one of the components won't have us getting it till 2027 and we started the project 18 or so months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 10 minutes ago, akirby said: Ok let’s try caps since nobody seems to be listening. THESE TRUCKS AREN’T READY FOR PRODUCTION YET. THESE ARE NEW POWERTRAINS AT THE VERY LEAST. They probably won’t be ready for production until 2026. Has nothing to do with retooling (I assume). I don't think they are new powertrains until "later in the decade". That's when the electrified SD hits. 2026 MY would coincide with the expected refresh of the SD. Maybe it'll be delayed a year, or maybe OAC will just get them a bit later, in early 2026. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 6 minutes ago, fordmantpw said: I don't think they are new powertrains until "later in the decade". That's when the electrified SD hits. 2026 MY would coincide with the expected refresh of the SD. Maybe it'll be delayed a year, or maybe OAC will just get them a bit later, in early 2026. I misread it. Again. Maybe I need to switch back to regular coffee. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 18 minutes ago, akirby said: Has nothing to do with retooling (I assume). The big shots at Ford mentioned there's a significant amount of retooling involved to make OAC a fully flexible plant with assembly and integrated stamping operations for F-Series Super Duty. Time and money is needed for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 3 minutes ago, morgan20 said: The big shots at Ford mentioned there's a significant amount of retooling involved to make OAC a fully flexible plant with assembly and integrated stamping operations for F-Series Super Duty. Time and money is needed for that True. I misread the original article. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 16 minutes ago, akirby said: Ok let’s try caps since nobody seems to be listening. THESE TRUCKS AREN’T READY FOR PRODUCTION YET. THESE ARE NEW POWERTRAINS AT THE VERY LEAST. They probably won’t be ready for production until 2026. Has nothing to do with retooling (I assume). Straight from the original post..... Production of the current generation Super Duty is forecasted to begin in 2026. Later in the decade, Oakville will begin producing the next-generation Super Duty, including an electrified version of the pickup. Oakville will be the sole initial source of multi-energy Super Duty production. According to that, they're going to make the current version starting in 2026, and next-gen later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 I typed that out earlier and got pulled away and didn't see the responses since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Another reason I don't think this move is really about a long term large increase in Super Duty production capacity is the fact that there has been no announcement about increasing engine production capacity, particularly the 6.7L Powerstroke diesel. Currently there are caps on ordering diesel F-650's and 750's because there isn't enough engines to go around. Anything being done at Windsor to increase 7.3/6.8L gas engine production? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 2 minutes ago, 7Mary3 said: Another reason I don't think this move is really about a long term large increase in Super Duty production capacity is the fact that there has been no announcement about increasing engine production capacity, particularly the 6.7L Powerstroke diesel. Currently there are caps on ordering diesel F-650's and 750's because there isn't enough engines to go around. Anything being done at Windsor to increase 7.3/6.8L gas engine production? From the original post: On 7/18/2024 at 7:34 AM, Oac98 said: As a result of the production volumes of Super Duty trucks in Oakville, Ford anticipates increasing engine production volumes at the Essex Engine Plant in Windsor, Ontario which employs Unifor Local 200 members. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 20 hours ago, akirby said: Thats what we’ve been discussing the last 5 hours. Try to keep up. 😂😎 DOH!...at least Ill be late for my own funeral....lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 2 hours ago, 7Mary3 said: Another reason I don't think this move is really about a long term large increase in Super Duty production capacity is the fact that there has been no announcement about increasing engine production capacity, particularly the 6.7L Powerstroke diesel. Currently there are caps on ordering diesel F-650's and 750's because there isn't enough engines to go around. Anything being done at Windsor to increase 7.3/6.8L gas engine production? This is true with 650/750 under allocation for 6.7's. Order a diesel 650/750 now and you will see it in 12 mos or so a friend who is the commercial mgr at a Ford Pro dealership told me. Back to spending that 3 billion, I wonder if they can squeeze out a few bucks to solve the so called "under hood heat" problem that a compressor creates which is the supposed reason you can't get a 7.3 with air brakes in a 650/750. Sounds like absolute BS but that is what I've been told...."don'thave the funds to do it". Think of it- a 7.3 generates more heat than a 6.7? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 You know what's funny? I saw a Blue Bird propane bus the other day. It looked new, so I assume it had the 7.3L in it. And air brakes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 17 hours ago, Trader 10 said: But why so long? Remember how quickly Ford retooled for the all new aluminum F150. The retool was planned before the public even knew the aluminum F-150 was coming. The OAP switchover decision was likely made just a few months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew L Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 3 hours ago, Bob Rosadini said: This is true with 650/750 under allocation for 6.7's. Order a diesel 650/750 now and you will see it in 12 mos or so a friend who is the commercial mgr at a Ford Pro dealership told me. Back to spending that 3 billion, I wonder if they can squeeze out a few bucks to solve the so called "under hood heat" problem that a compressor creates which is the supposed reason you can't get a 7.3 with air brakes in a 650/750. Sounds like absolute BS but that is what I've been told...."don'thave the funds to do it". Think of it- a 7.3 generates more heat than a 6.7? I drove a E450 Penske box truck from RI to FL a few years ago helping a friend move and it had the 7.3 and 6 speed. It drove really well and it was actually really well equipped. But I do remember that doghouse got pretty hot, there were a few times my leg would rest against it and I noticed how warm it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 The interesting part for me is that Oakville will begin building the current model Super Duty trucks in 2026, makes sense to start with an already established vehicle so that staff get all the real world lessons from KTP. It’s still a while off but at least the workers now have a decision from Ford in the form of a major profit earner for the company. Good luck and God bless to all our Canadian friends. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 On 7/19/2024 at 8:57 AM, joseodiaga4 said: Great news for Oakville although there is a couple of years in between. I have also heard what Andrew L has said, that Ford couldn't sell more Expeditions and Navigators because Kentucky Truck Assembly Plant was at capacity, so I wonder if this will help at it. Also if the Expy and Navi are getting hybrids why not move these models to OAP Correct, KTP already has a body shop for Trucks and another for SUV but they share a final trim line. Once the pressure is off KTP to build so many trucks, it can build a ton more SUVs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 46 minutes ago, jpd80 said: Correct, KTP already has a body shop for Trucks and another for SUV but they share a final trim line. Once the pressure is off KTP to build so many trucks, it can build a ton more SUVs. I was under the impression its more like our setup at MAP where they share a body shop but have 2 distinct lines within that building then combine at paint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said: I was under the impression its more like our setup at MAP where they share a body shop but have 2 distinct lines within that building then combine at paint. Aww, yes correct Fuzzy. I went back and looked at the changes, the new body shop was a fill in between two buildings, the old body shop was done away with and two separate trim lines were created - that makes sense now. Sorry for the inaccurate post above. Bottom line is that the body shop is not a limiting factor up to about 34,000 builds a month and after OAC starts SD production, KTP could probably alter production and still build more Utilities at say a 50/50 mix… Would love to see the SUVs get a petrol hybrid either from F150 or a 6.8/7.3 hybrid of some sort, I think that would be a game changer against the GM SUVs like Tahoe and Escalator Edited July 20 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 2 hours ago, jpd80 said: The interesting part for me is that Oakville will begin building the current model Super Duty trucks in 2026, makes sense to start with an already established vehicle so that staff get all the real world lessons from KTP. It’s still a while off but at least the workers now have a decision from Ford in the form of a major profit earner for the company. Good luck and God bless to all our Canadian friends. It's also good in that even if the Super Duty leaves Avon Lake, that plant will still have plenty of work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 (edited) 5 hours ago, 7Mary3 said: It's also good in that even if the Super Duty leaves Avon Lake, that plant will still have plenty of work. Not sure Ford would leave as I recall something about a major contractor having an adjacent facility purpose built to supply the plant? Freely admit that I could have that story completely wrong…….. I’m zooming on pain meds at the moment, so not sure. Edited July 20 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted July 20 Author Share Posted July 20 Do you guys think it will be more 250, 350, 450 or the heavier duty super duties??? At OAC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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