Its not for our market, but still interesting:   Ford Trucks Signs Joint Development Agreement With Iveco  

It is frustrating.  But I’m afraid they would have to clean house and start from scratch to be cost competitive and develop entirely new smaller cars and crossovers for Europe (that wouldn’t sell here).  It would be massively expensive.  Some of that could be done with new EVs but the commercial side is doing great.

I know exactly what you're talking about about. I also do believe the concaved rear shape would work better in the outermost edges were more flat, with the inner section being concaved. In other words, making it so it didn't look so angled from the side, only when you see the rear do you see the angle.    As for the lower bumper, I say there's about a 90% chance they make it look sleeker like what the GTD cutout has, just with a less aggressive rear diffuser once they do some sort of refresh. 

My issue with the rear end is the taillights (I'd have had a 3D element of the tribar lights extrude out into the recess in a box shape, similar to the '15-17, except it would fill in the recess - I hope this is making sense, I can do a render/sketch if it isn't), and they put too much black plastic on the lower bumper

It's possible, I like how they brought back the hockey stick into the side surfacing on the s650, the way it kicks up. But the lack of hard indents is a mistake in some respects, in a lot of lighting the side of the car looks washed out. 

I prefer the new front end, and the more pronounced hips on the s650. I know the rear is also controversial, but since its clearly inspired by the concaved decklid of the '67-68 models, I dig it.    I'm not saying s650 is bad. What I am saying is part of the reason s650 is struggling is a dark horse is a 70 grand car that still has the proportions of a 30 grand car. It's creeping up in price to the point where it's starting to knock on the door of entry level exotics while still having the basic appearance of a humble pony car. 

Well if the Coyote is too tall, for sure Bob Wolf and others have been getting wild numbers out of the 7.3 have they not???

I loved the 2015-17 model.  I had an '18, but would agree that I think the '15-17 was better up front.  '25 fixed the front but messed up the rest, IMO.

Im wondering if the changes on the flanks with styling was because of this supposed sedan mustang?   IMO the Mustang took steps backwards from the 2015 model onwards styling wise. The 2025 fixed that  

It's not worth going back and forth, as the topic has been beaten to death in all sorts of threads.   Ford will eventually run out of product to cut, all while competitors manage to make money on the same vehicles.   It'd just be nice to see Ford have some sort of expansion strategy rather than constantly cutting to profitability (yes, I know certain models have been dropped for others blah blah blah).   Them being in a product lull after switching plans multiple times doesn't help things.