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Hi everyone, With the recent Carhartt Edition announcement this week, did Ford release an updated 2027 F-150 Order Guide reflecting this new package/trim, or is Job 1/Job 2 ordering for it coming at a later date? Any insight from dealership members or insiders would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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CAFE isn’t why vehicles are more expensive, although it certainly has a lot to do with why they are larger due to the footprint rule. Increased safety standards and required features like backup cameras are much more at fault for why it is just simply challenging to make something like the Ford Focus profitably without totally spartan interiors. Size on the other hand isn’t very expensive to do especially since you have to do it anyway for safety. CAFE’s didn’t kill cheaper cars, it just didn’t prevent it. If smaller size was feasible with safety tech and was cheaper, we would see movement towards that. Instead, we see Ford do stuff like the 100A Explorer and base trim Maverick hybrid. Hard to fit this thought coherently into my post, but you should consider how in Europe despite no CAFE and smaller car sizes, they are relatively more expensive. Using French prices because I can’t read the other websites, a Toyota Corolla is $34,350 MSRP in France starting and is around $26,800 MSRP in the US for the equivalent SE model (sans hybrid). If Toyota is just more expensive over there, the cheaper Renault Clio still clocks in at ~$28k. A ST-Line Escape Hybrid costs $37,860 MSRP in France and $35k MSRP in the US, the French price would get you a Platinum hybrid in America. This is how much you have to charge for these cars to be profitable, and the American market just isn’t willing to go for a Ford Focus hatchback at like $28k. They would absolutely go for a Maverick at that price though.
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So why were consumers buying small cars in 2015 when CAFE was close to 36%? This doesn't incentivize buying small cars it stops penalizing mfrs from building them. Low costs and higher mpg is plenty of incentive for customers.
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By The Handler · Posted
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The small cars were killed off because of footprint rule which was designed to allow car companies to keep selling bigger and less fuel efficient vehicles. You can fix CAFE by modifying the footprint rule to only apply to certain size and above vehicle. A wholesale rollback of CAFE target makes no sense and doesn't increase the incentive to sell small cars. It's like fixing a plumbing leak in your basement by demolishing the second floor.
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I'm not talking about fiestas - I'm talking about a focus hatchback. There is still a sizeable market for companies with low costs that can make money at lower prices. Widespread low cost EV adoption is still years if not decades away. Under CAFE the mfrs could not afford to even try to make small cars because the CAFE targets were so much higher than larger vehicles. This simply makes them feasible again and at least a few mfrs will take advantage.
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By blazerdude20 · Posted
I doubt it. Fuel economy standards changing won't drive manufacturers to produce small, affordable cars. The economy at large very well may push it, because vehicles are expensive overall; But much of that has to do with the publics desire for more space and manufacturers pushing heavy premium trim mixture for larger margins. The reality is much of the public wants a larger vehicle in the US market. When you can get a 2026 RAV4 with 47 MPG for $32k, a sedan is a tough sell when its going to be $25k+ for C sized cars. The increased MPG is minimal from a operational cost standpoint, but the ride and utility take a massive hit... There will absolutely be people who want the cheapest new car, but as we have seen, that is not a customer most manufacturers really want to pursue. I think you'll see a couple "new" entrants into the market but will they survive long term with cost and economy of scale questions. I see long term the smaller, cheaper end of the market being EVs. 200 mile range. Whereas the nicer, larger vehicles are a hybrid. Just my prediction. -
Thanks for saving me from looking that up, I knew that 90% figure was wrong! While Ford did build a sizeable number of Jeeps during the Second World War, they did so strictly under license and the Jeep was in no way a Ford design. The original concept was developed by the American Bantam Company but the contract was initially given to Willys because the Army preferred the Willys prototype and Bantam didn't have the plant capacity to build enough Jeeps. Turns out after that war started Willys couldn't build enough Jeeps either so Ford was brought in (Bantam was given the contract to build trailers for the Jeep). Willys continued to build Jeeps for both the military and civilian markets after the war, eventually getting bought out by Kaiser (as in Kaiser-Jeep). Kaiser sold Jeep to AMC in 1970, Chrysler bought AMC in 1987, and it's now Stellantis.
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I don't mind it....though I think that the front could've been raked back slightly instead of full upright box, as I don't feel like it fits as well with the rest of the more sleek/smooth body.
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By fordmantpw · Posted
NOx and regens are not related to each other. NOx necessitates DEF, soot necessitates the DPF and regens.
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