This forum is really quiet,  but this week I got a recall notice on my 7.3 godzilla that a fuel pump failure is possible.  Never heard any complaints on other boards,  anyone have a fuel pump problem?  Rob

Agree it looks nice, but apparently many people have an issue with vehicles shaped with similar silhouette.  The first time I saw a 63 Corvette I was hooked on fastbacks.  GT40 also made it easy to love a sloping roofline.  Granted they were sports cars but if principle can be applied to sedans, more power to the designers that can make it work.  Besides, design goes way back to early days of automobiles.   Personally like general Tavascan silhouette shape, which reminds me a little of the upcoming Nissan Leaf.  Seems a good balance between function and looks.  

Of course they care about efficiency, even if they don’t comprehend what it’s doing for them directly.  Aerodynamic efficiency improves range and or lowers costs, which buyers do care about directly.  All efficiency matters, whether it’s tires that roll easier, more efficient motors, more efficient batteries, inverters, etc.  So yeah, manufacturers similarly don't make a big deal of stating our tires are better than their tires, but that doesn’t mean they don’t keep pursuing efficiency gains to make vehicles ride better, make less noise, improve grip, and also improve MPG or EV range.  Aerodynamics is no different except it affects appearances more so.   Anyway, given that Tesla Model Y and 3 were best sellers worldwide for years, and relied on low aero drag to deliver greatest range for the dollar given their available technology, it’s hard to see how anyone can conclude buyers don’t care about “results” provided largely by efficiency; even when they don’t see it for themselves.  Manufacturers on the other hand better understand the value of efficiency in every area or they will lose competitive edge.   Please read above 10 times if you must to see I did not say or imply that vehicles should not also be attractive and or look great.  Just saying great looks doesn’t preclude making vehicles as efficient as possible.  Aesthetics and efficiency may be inversely related to some degree but both do matter.

agree, this is very worrying.    7.1k 2025 Navigators! 2025 YTD sales for the Navi are 13.1k, we don't have the 24-25 details but considering this, it is 54% of your YTD sales with problems! and probably 100% of the 25 models on your most expensive vehicle! This is INSANE!   More numbers: - Ranger: 20.5k - 53% YTD sales - Expy: 26.5k - 51% YTD sales Also both F150 and Bronco over 40% of YTD sales.

People buy blobs the same way they buy toasters.

So much for that commitment to quality on the 2025 models.  I don’t see how a person, who isn’t a Ford fan, would consider buying a Ford based on the constant reminder of quality problems from all of these recalls.  

I would!

About the ZR1's lower MSRP, the C8's baaic mid-engine architecture has performnce/ handling baked into it.    For the GTD, Ford had to alter the S650's architecture heavily to accomodate new suspension designs and transaxle (similar to the C8's) to make it handle like a supercar. 

Did we make blob sound like it's bad thing as well? 😄   Remember what Peter Holderith of The Drive said about these blobs? Normative EVs are what people here want. They want pickup trucks, they want SUVs, they want cars that mean something. They don’t want the blob. I don’t want the blob. I will not drive the blob.   Actually Peter, people do buy anonymous unibody blob cars and crossovers. But is that because appealing price and features make up for the styling (or lack thereof), as in Equinox EV's case?   More from Peter: The blob does have its aerodynamic advantages, which help negate the range penalties that come with a cabin full of energy-sapping creature comforts. But what matters now in selling EVs is about showing that they can fit into people’s lives in a way that doesn’t challenge their understanding of the world around them.  As Ford CEO Jim Farley put it, we’re in the second inning of electrification, and what the buying trends show is that people want icons.    Sounds like most car buyers, including for EV, don't give a flyin' fuck about "aerodynamic advantages" or "efficiency". If automakers offered more "icons" that are priced not too much more than the anonymous blobs out there, they'd find a willing audience for those products.   Will Ford take the lead delivering those fresh new "icons" to the EV market courtesy of CE1? I'm hoping that the August 11 event gives us a good answer.

The cupra does look really nice for what it is, it's funny how you mentioned that because I've also thought a design like that would suit the Capri name better than what we got.    On one hand, I get it, doing new body stampings is extremely expensive, so I try to understand why Ford wanted to carry over as many body panels as possible, but on the other hand, like you said, it's arguably worth the additional investment just to have a better design that stands on its own.    I'm genuinely concerned Ford's gonna repeat this mistake with the mustang sedan. In theory, the mustang sedan is gonna need new body stampings compared to the coupe because of the longer wheelbase, so a new body side, I'd imagine the roofline and decklid is also different for obvious reasons, and as such, will also require unique stampings.    For that reason, if they're already having to invest in new stampings for a significant portion of the body as is, I'd kinda prefer it if the mustang sedan had its own unique design, something fresh that doesn't just look like an s650 with 4 doors.    I just fear that because the reception to the s650s design has been lukewarm, by the time the sedan arrives in 2-3 years or more, if it looks like an s650, it's gonna look kinda dated and tired, and that might turn some buyers off. A fresh design that potentially even influences the future styling of the next coupe generation would be neat to see.