I'm hoping this endeavor proves to be very impressive, despite my admitted apathy towards the EV market.
In a few different social media markets, there's full-on resentment towards Ford for handing over the "starter cars" market (Fiesta, Focus) so completely. While Honda, Toyota, and the Koreans seemingly will keep making the introductory-level vehicles for those markets, the determination of Ford to desert those buyers has ongoing negativity towards the brand. With the almost-invisible Escape on its last legs (tires?), and the Maverick seemingly dangling as Ford's only low cost offering for the immediate future, the optics are frankly both elitist (good luck finding new Fords under $35k) and delusional (FORD RECALLS ANOTHER MILLION VEHICLES...).
This rough patch isn't fun to witness.
It would be interesting to see if they are cash flow positive on their charging network. It's $0.45/kWh to charge at the nearest Tesla charging station and my electricity is just under $0.10/kWh. And I don't get the cheaper commercial rates.
Yep. My 2017 explorer has been basically the most reliable car my family has ever owned, but if someone was just going off the number of recalls, they'd think 2011-19 explorers had a lot of problems. But so many of those recalls are basically for cosmetic issues.
Like I had a recall because a few of the clips on the roof rack cover were popping up on the rear. The cover as a whole still seemed to be firmly attached, so it wasn't in danger of flying off, it just didn't look great. Then there are recalls because these decorative black panels on the pillar might come off.
Meanwhile Nissan cvts are destroying themselves left and right and to my knowledge, Nissan never issued a definitive fix for them via a recall. Ford's out here recalling over cosmetic issues essentially, and other brands are ignoring their powertrains exploding.
Expy and navigator had air suspension until 2014. Why ford refuses to add it is a mystery. Apparently, during the 5th gen presses, they said the customers didnt want it, but everyone on the 4th gen forums have been either asking for it or lamenting the ride quality in comparison to others. As well as soft close doors, they also offer some type of niche camera system such as night vision or under carriage views. Its a shame, because the 4th gen until the refresh was a compelling product, but like you said, lincoln refuses to make the navigator a worthy flagship, considering how much they are charging.
Atleast the expy missing some features won't be missed as much since it does have cinsiderable feature content on par with its peers, and as a while, feels up to par.
Im also noticing, many people are starting to have quality issues with their navigators, but not much if anyone has had any actual issues with their expys.
It still depends on how many Super Duties they can sell. If Super Duties are maxed out and capacity is available then they will look to increase volume with upgrades and/or price reductions.
It’s hard to justify spending money on upgrades when increased sales just cannibalize Super Duty or Expy sales even with the high ATPs. That’s just business math. Why spend $50M on upgrades if the net ROI is 0%? The only reason they would is if they were losing too many sales.
It's been a bit since I've been in all 3, but I recall Maverick being almost all hard plastics, while Escape and BS had some soft touch plastics on the dash area.
That's a good point.
I'm guessing maybe it has to do with the cab structure/doors themselves at this point.....since they reused the cab and doors, they couldn't include them for whatever reason?
It's also funny - Navigator (and expedition) had air suspension back in 2004, yet here we are in 2025 and it doesn't.
It'll be interesting to see if sales do increase more as they're able to make more.....i.e. have sales been artificially low, or is that just the level they're at?
Correct. And while I'd rather have a fixed glass roof than a regular solid roof, I still like the option of opening it. What I'm curious to see is whether it fits within the same opening as the current vista roof, or if they make the opening larger now that they don't have to accommodate the mechanical hardware to open it?
Eh, I'd disagree - there are people out there that want the performance with a more "luxury" interior, vs. the sporty and all-black interior of the ST.
That said, you're also right that for many buyers, the 2.3 would be sufficient.
This seems like a typical "reduce build combos/complexity" move as a model ages....they shifted the powertrain option from one trim to another.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/29/business/tesla-earnings-elon-musk.html
Tesla's full year profit was $7.1B, and down from $15B in 2023. But still more than the $2.76 of credit sales, so something is profitable at Tesla lol.