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The mute feature works great for Snooter-who I think is on some sort of drugs with some of the shit he comes up with. I've discovered that he adds 0 to any conversation, so no big deal if I don't see it.

I understand the desire for higher ATPs and lower incentives with lower volume, but what I don’t understand is why they cheap out on the interior. It’s counter intuitive. Maybe they’re hedging their bets in case they have to lower prices later or maybe they’re just hoping buyers won’t care.

what kind of sales is ford expecting for the new escape? Depending on what the baby bronco ends up looking like, I could totally see it selling more than the escape. My wife has had 2 escapes, 2nd and 3rd gen, and by far the 2nd gen styling was her favorite. She didn’t care for the new model at all. Ford got this wrong two ways. They think that if they make the escape more car like, the old car customers would buy it. I think car customers will just go to another brand who sells cars because they want a car, not a cuv. People who buy suv/cuvs buy them because they like the characteristics of an suv/cuv (style, ride height, etc). If you take those characteristics away in favor of making it more car like, you’ve now alienated your suv/cuv customers.

350 hp in an E-Series. Three hundred and fifty horsepower in an E-Series. (Insert appropriate 'back in my day' quote about 1980s engines.)

Can I have an AMEN!!!! HRG

Spelling error....ROGUE

I have bought Fords and Lincolns from the same dealership and from the same salesperson and sales manager for many years. I do not expect to be treated differently when I buy a Ford vs. when I buy a Lincoln. I expect top notch treatment either way and I have always gotten it. I don't quite understand why buying a Ford, whether it is a $80,000 F150 King Ranch or a $35,000 Escape should be an inferior experience compared to buying a Lincoln. Before Ford sold Jaguar, I considered an XJ and visited a stand-alone Jag dealer. The sales rep was knowledgeable and the store was nice but I can't say the overall experience was much different than dealing on a Ford. I had a similar experience when looking at Volvos at their stand-alone dealership. Bottom line for me is that the people make the difference. I do not expect a salesperson to have all the answers but I expect decent product knowledge and 100% honesty. I expect to be treated as a valued and respected customer. If those things are missing, the quality of the customer lounge or how fresh their snacks are doesn't mean a thing to me.

Might also have something to do with fiscal year timing. I don't know about the po-leese, but when I worked for a state agency, our fiscal year ran from July 1-June 30. Our spending on bigger projects tended to happen more in late spring/early summer, when the budget situation was more solid (you didn't have to worry, f'rinstance, about a sudden spike in winter energy costs knocking a big hole in your available funds).

The rollout of the Ranger was also deliberately slow.

The literature I saw had a 300 hp 7.3 option for the E Series, that must be the fuel efficiency version your highlighted passage was referring to. I saw 300 hp and 350 hp versions for E Series and 350 hp and 430 hp versions for F53 & F59.

No, this is "Very Tesla-esque".... ...and this.

So did the regular Explorer as an option

Of course. we don't live in a perfect world but if you do a lot of towing then the diesel makes perfect sense for a fuss free experience. Generally the diesel gives about 30% better fuel economy than a gas engine, so if you're down to like 7 mpg with a diesel then that would be like 5.0 to 5.5 mpg with a gas 6.2.... you could work that out in gallons per 100 miles, 20 gallons gasoline vs 14 gallons of diesel, a saving of at least $20 every 100 miles. If you tow lots, it doesn't take long for the savings to rack up. 50,000 miles of towing like that and your diesel pays for itself and that's besides the joy of fuss free towing, I knew there was a reason why the 6.8 V10 went away in F350.....

Well, your wife at least understands..good choice

GT500 powered Bronco? That's what I got from that *starts ridiculous rumor to see what happens*

We don't need no stinking V8!

Agreed. Using zip code 20164, that Escape #24924 A/Z Plans out at $27, 357, including destination & $1000 in incentives.

Compact CUV is the most important segment in the market. If Ford was really losing money on Escape, they probably shouldn't be a car company. Maybe they wouldn't need to de-content and discount and squeeze the margin if their product was fresh like Honda and Toyota. It's really unfathomable that Ford left Escape on the market virtually unchanged for 7, almost 8 years. But I think I'm preaching to the choir ?

It's not just the interiors. Corsair isn't offering the 1.5L 3-cylinder EB either. After having one to use for 3 weeks, it's easy to see why. HRG

I think they’re targeting the Focus buyers which makes sense to a degree but Focus was also a lot cheaper.

Thanks. I didn’t even bother having them re-do the PDI. This is my fifth Lincoln purchase from this dealer in six years and I can honestly say their PDI people are completely out to lunch. extremely laid back and great to deal with but not great at the attention to detail. It’s a rural dealership that just doesn’t get the Lincoln customer I think. I would still recommend the Aviator hands down. Fully loaded it’s a fantastic bargain compared to its rivals in the luxury space.

The diesel also having engine braking factors into the braking test on J2807, so that probably accounts for some of the increase in capacity.

Ah yes, Fisker The company that just won't die. Along with Faraday Future and Elio Motors

You have a better shot at seeing pilotless cargo planes going point to point for Fedex, UPS, USPS etc, etc...at least in that arena, the airspace can be dedicated to that type of flight without other planes in the corridors...

Here's a crazy idea for Bronco V8, what if the engineering costs could be split across two other vehicles, things that once seemed impossible then become possible because the potential audience widens.

Correct. A clear path into the engine bay for V6 raised into place was never a consideration, all development work was for I-4 and I-5 engines. The 2.3 Ecoboost was so tight that the engineers had to create an access hole in the inner guard to get to the oil filter. T6 Gen 2 corrects all short comings with I-4 and V engines and then some...

Great news, thanks for sharing. My biggest concern is that this will not end well for Escape, glad to be proven wrong.....

We were told at a recent meeting that we are going to go hard on selling the 2020 Explorer XLTs, supposedly towards the end of the 1st quarter. They said they plan on selling about 80,000 more Explorers in 2020 than in 2019. So you’re looking at them getting back to 250,000 Explorers this year. That was an absolute commitment that they were serious about. As for Escape, they basically indicated that the Escape has moved up market in pricing and that they expected sales to shrink with that change. Looks like they don’t plan on going as volume crazy on Escape. They admitted they overproduced the 2019 Escape. It was quite the cluster to hear this. The Escape matters but I’m puzzled because it doesn’t seem like there’s a plan and there are no decent programs on it. They expect about 150,000 Bronco Sports annually once production with that gets up and running.

I've been looking at Super Duties because I'm looking at towing some stuff that's beyond my F-150s performance envelope, but I don't particularly want a diesel as a daily driver. There's no way I could justify the added purchase, fuel, and maintenance costs, and the gassers would do fine with the hauling I need to do.

Mike Levine says Ford sold more raptors than Chevy sold corvettes.

ford needs a new grille. That one has been played out already. I’m surprised that the equinox sold that much. I’d take the new escape over the equinox.

I don't remember saying that at all actually. It looks more like an evolution of the current one with a little more of the 15-18 Focus in it. Now that I think about it, it may not have actually been NG Edge at all, the proportions I remember (don't have the image anymore) don't seem like an Edge-type vehicle.

Is that you, Alan Mulally?

Why would Ford patent ZF's rear steer?

For many months last year, some were lamenting the slow sales start for the Ranger. Now, I see in December Ford sold over 14,000 Rangers. I agree with Kirby, way too early to pass judgement on the Escape or Explorer. Let's have this discussion in July.

That's only one region and I don't think they had massive incentives on the 2020s. On the website it says $2K rebate just announced - I don't know what it was before. I'm not saying it is or it isn't a problem - I'm just saying it's too early to tell either way.

I'd think you'd see it at the LA Auto in November for NA.

We had this discussion before. You're completely ignoring dividends. Ford pays a nice one. For an old guy like me, dividends make up a large part of my yearly income.

Sirius/XM, Ford Pass, navigation, wifi, etc. Used to be the "shark fin" on the front of the cab, now it's two modules on the back.

Glad to see the former IL Mitsubishi plant, aka "DSM", being reused. After all the fanfare when it opened in 1988, I'd have hated to see it wasted.

Someone who doesnt want to spend $10,000 more for the engine.

Since its 2020, might as well update this: CY 2020 2021 F-150 and F-150 Hybrid 2021 Bronco Family-Spring 2020 unveiling 4 Door Bronco-Late Fall/Early Winter (possible Job 1 Dec 7) 2 Door Bronco-Late Fall/Early Winter (possible Job 1 Dec 7) Baby Bronco-Summer/Fall 2020 2021 Mustang Refresh/hybrid? Seems like I'm missing something here-the SD is technically a 2019 release since its in production already. CY 2021 2021 Mustang Mach E-Spring release 2022 F-150 BEV 2022 Fusion Crossover-Spring/Summer 2021? Baby Bronco\compact Pickup-Spring/Summer 2021? Transit Connect refresh-Spring/Summer 2021? Hermosillo production starts 2022 Bronco Sport Trac/Pickup-Might be shown off during Bronco launch? 2022 Ranger? Future Products past CY 2021 New Mustang on CD6 Mid sized CUV BEV for Lincoln and Ford Rivan based SUV/Pickup For Lincoln and Ford, respectively Small BEV based on VW platform (EU) Edge and Nautilus replacements "Affordable" Ford Product ?

Or maybe a Crown Vic Skyliner made with modern materials engineering:

@sho94_2000 What he is saying is that your IP address resolves back to the same IP address that a banned user used. Might be a coincidence, but consider yourself warned since I haven't bothered to check the older messages to see if they are similar to yours. But from your posts you seem to be a borderline troll...

It hasn't had one for 3 years now.

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/ford-ranger-mustang-v8-engine Please sweet baby Jesus, let this come to the Bronco; in the name of the 5.0 and the Holy Raptor, Amen ?

The reason they changed from 1.6L to 1.5L is due to European displacement regulations.

The 1.5 is 95% the same as the 1.6. They changed the head to stop the cracks and installed a water to air intercooler. Still has a timing belt, look identical on the bench once the intake and exhaust have been removed. Ford claims most of the issue is powertrain software calibration. There is a program to reprogram Escapes with the hopes that it stops them from popping. I'm not sure how it will, but it is out there.