GearheadGrrrl Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 Maybe a mid motor Mustang isn't that risky an investment for Ford- Most of the development costs and tooling for the Ford GT has already been paid for and could be reused. While matching the Corvette's base price point might be difficult, throw in a hybrid powertrain driving the front wheels and they've matched the Corvette hybrid and could justify a similar $100K+ price. And while bringing a supercar to market just as everyone else is electrifying theirs would be a mistake, the hybrid feature makes a new supercar socially acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 16 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: https://fordauthority.com/2023/08/ford-to-debut-mid-engine-mustang-this-thursday-exclusive/ Built by Multimatic. It’s effectively the replacement for the GT. Not so sure how I feel about using the Mustang name for it when GT probably could have worked. I agree that the Mustang name on something like the GT is a questionable usage for me. But maybe it's somewhere in between Mustang and GT performance (and cost) wise that would kind of make some sense and leave the door open for a future "all out" GT well above this mid-Mustang? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted August 16, 2023 Author Share Posted August 16, 2023 56 minutes ago, rmc523 said: I agree that the Mustang name on something like the GT is a questionable usage for me. But maybe it's somewhere in between Mustang and GT performance (and cost) wise that would kind of make some sense and leave the door open for a future "all out" GT well above this mid-Mustang? That's what I'm thinking. I understand the argument that Multimatic isn't a massive manufacturer. But it would be an odd choice to make a new version of the gt that was still super expensive and rare, but call it the mustang. I feel like if this was the next gen gt, they would have just called it the gt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 37 minutes ago, DeluxeStang said: That's what I'm thinking. I understand the argument that Multimatic isn't a massive manufacturer. But it would be an odd choice to make a new version of the gt that was still super expensive and rare, but call it the mustang. I feel like if this was the next gen gt, they would have just called it the gt. The GT was a heritage car built specifically to win LeMans so no expense was spared. The retail units were really only built for homologation. Reading between the lines I expect a much cheaper version of the GT chassis using mostly off the shelf mustang parts including engines with a DCT tranny and mustang inspired exotic body like Ferrari/Corvette/GT. I’d be shocked if it was less than $150K. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 46 minutes ago, akirby said: Reading between the lines I expect a much cheaper version of the GT chassis using mostly off the shelf mustang parts including engines with a DCT tranny and mustang inspired exotic body like Ferrari/Corvette/GT. I’d be shocked if it was less than $150K. IMO that depends on how much the GT program paid for itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 49 minutes ago, akirby said: The GT was a heritage car built specifically to win LeMans so no expense was spared. The retail units were really only built for homologation. Reading between the lines I expect a much cheaper version of the GT chassis using mostly off the shelf mustang parts including engines with a DCT tranny and mustang inspired exotic body like Ferrari/Corvette/GT. I’d be shocked if it was less than $150K. I would say a lot of the $ will be related to the use of exotic materials...ie Carbon Fibre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 31 minutes ago, Deanh said: I would say a lot of the $ will be related to the use of exotic materials...ie Carbon Fibre possible - but I’m thinking they go opposite to keep the price down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 24 minutes ago, akirby said: possible - but I’m thinking they go opposite to keep the price down. So what, Aluminum monocoque instead of the carbon fiber that the GT was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: So what, Aluminum monocoque instead of the carbon fiber that the GT was? Exactly, or some combination of less expensive components. Or I could be totally wrong and it’s just another $400k GT. But I don’t see this one being eligible for a racing series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted August 16, 2023 Author Share Posted August 16, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, akirby said: The GT was a heritage car built specifically to win LeMans so no expense was spared. The retail units were really only built for homologation. Reading between the lines I expect a much cheaper version of the GT chassis using mostly off the shelf mustang parts including engines with a DCT tranny and mustang inspired exotic body like Ferrari/Corvette/GT. I’d be shocked if it was less than $150K. Maybe something positioned against the zo6 and above? We're all sounding like a bunch of broken records, but we'll find out tomorrow. It could be a million dollar car, a 200k car, or an 80k car. Or nothing at all. I've heard it could just be the GTD, or could be it's own thing. Some are saying the GTD is s650 based, but mid-engine, other reports are saying the mid-engine thing isn't s650 based at all. The GTD coming from people at the reveal event supposedly uses a 5.5 ecoboost engine, AWD, active areo, lots of carbon fiber, and is 400k with apply to buy programs. Edited August 16, 2023 by DeluxeStang 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pffan1990 Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 Looks like it's just the GTD. The same writer now admits his sources had it wrong about it not being S650-based. https://fordauthority.com/2023/08/ford-mustang-gtd-leaks-ahead-of-debut/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 https://x.com/fordmustang/status/1691948003433562295?s=46&t=cB47uY4SDWaSlB9e4VcllA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 Well, that was anticlimactic for me. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 Too boy racer for me... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, ausrutherford said: Too boy racer for me... same for me. I was thinking, I guess hoping, that it was going to be something along the lines of a poor man’s GT and the C8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, tbone said: Well, that was anticlimactic for me. does anybody even buy these crazy mustang variants? I don’t get wasting the money on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, T-dubz said: does anybody even buy these crazy mustang variants? I don’t get wasting the money on it. Apparently, somebody must be, however, outsourcing to mulimatic probably doesn’t impact their engineering resources that much. I was pretty excited to see what this was going to be, so this was definitely a let down for me. With that said, my son thought it was cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GearheadGrrrl Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 None the less, it's iffy if a front engine Mustang can compete with the mid engine cars in racing even if the sanctioning bodies hobble the mid engine competitors with ballast and intake restrictors. Probably not enough time to have a mid engine Mustang on the grid at Daytona in 2024, but may be needed by 2025... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, T-dubz said: does anybody even buy these crazy mustang variants? I don’t get wasting the money on it. GM Camaro owners trading in their cars for these new high end Mustang? Maybe there’s a whole ‘nother market developing out there and that happens to be GM folks that don’t want a rear engine Corvette Edited August 17, 2023 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 15 hours ago, T-dubz said: does anybody even buy these crazy mustang variants? I don’t get wasting the money on it. try finding a new GT500...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Deanh said: try finding a new GT500...... I was referring more so to the very limited versions they put out, like this GTD, cobra jet, etc. I guess they have to build them to be eligible for races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 17 minutes ago, T-dubz said: I was referring more so to the very limited versions they put out, like this GTD, cobra jet, etc. I guess they have to build them to be eligible for races. they didnt exactly build a bunch of GT500s either...but get your gist...the Cobra Jet for one always had me head scratching...definitely a niche market there...wonder how many were actually produced... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted August 17, 2023 Author Share Posted August 17, 2023 I'll say whoever makes a body kit out of this is gonna take it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) Throw me in the camp of "why bother?" for this if it's that GTD (what's the D even stand for? All I think of is diesel). It looks ridiculous to me. Edited August 17, 2023 by rmc523 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 1 hour ago, rmc523 said: Throw me in the camp of "why bother?" for this if it's that GTD (what's the D even stand for? All I think of is diesel). I'm thinking it's a reference to the IMSA GTD class,,,,, HRG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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