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Here's some pics of it next to a Ranger. You can really make out the small size in these pics: https://www.motor1.com/news/497528/ford-maverick-size-spy-shots/

And here's a front end photo of the 1971 Torino (base model) that I upgraded/upfitted.

If Ford made a mistake exiting the heavy truck business, it was their timing. In retrospect, they should have sold out before starting the HN80 program. From what I understand, HN80 was late and over budget, and I suspect Freightliner would not have paid that much less for the operation without the New Louisville trucks. Freightliner wanted the dealer network more than anything else, and though the HN80 had some potential it never materialized into a really great truck. Certainly nothing like the 1970 Louisville was. It was ironic that 'Sterling' never went anywhere, and a big reason for that was Freightliner's own growth in vocational class 7/8. Yeah, I though the Brazilian Cargo would have been a good addition to Ford's N.A. truck range, but it never happened. The larger Otosan trucks would never fly here. I have a feeling that Otosan will eventually team up with Traton............

Doesn't CA have problems with not enough electricity now. Wonder what's going to happen when all the rigs are plugged into the power grid. Maybe a coal fire plant could help out with that.?

It's probably just me then, I'm the Luddite I guess. I don't even like using lane keep assist, I find it to be way too intrusive, especially when entering and exiting the freeway.

The rolling blackouts are done to reduce the chance of forest fires caused by downed power lines in windy (Santa Ana) conditions in certain high-risk areas. They are not the result of a lack of capacity at present. The utility companies will be able to meet the challenge as the phase-in of BEV's will be gradual. I ought to know, near 40 years in the energy business. In California.

Wheelsboy has a pretty comprehensive review of this -

Considering that most states are the same size or bigger than entire European countries, what works there won't necessarily work here, yet some are hellbent on making that so.

Thanks for the information and correction... much appreciated!

This whole thing smack of overcharging...we'll see what the actual outcome of the case is.

my order email like those above went to my dealer but has my full name on it. obviously my email wasn't put in with the order but at least I know ford has it.

Ford is largely seen as a local brand in most of western Europe, especially in UK and Germany, its two strongest markets. Although Ford has squandered that goodwill and now trails both Toyota and Hyundai in passenger cars in Europe. It still leads light commercial vehicles as the single biggest brand but Stellantis and Renault are bigger players due to all the rebadges. This is why getting VW into the Ford commercial camp is a good thing for Ford... it ensures Ford can continue to operate at scale vs. the two French companies. Stellantis rebadge vans: Peugeot, Citroen, Opel/Vauxhall, Fiat, Toyota Renault rebadge vans: Renault, Mercedes, Opel/Vauxhall (being phased out), Nissan, Mitsubishi, Dacia, Lada Ford rebadge vans: none but will add VW soon

He was charged with something that is independent of where the actions were performed or who’s property they were performed on.

I’ve been following your journey, thanks for the update. Have they shared any customers with similar issues to yours?

I knew Jac Nasser was CEO when the decision was made and executed, I've just always wondered why. Why walk away from the business the company spent decades cultivating and had become a major player in? I understand many of the decisions Nasser made were unpopular at the time and didn't age well either.

1971 was the last year of the unibody Torino...

It's my understanding that either the jumps were filmed on the driver's OWN property, or that he had permission from the land owner to conduct the jump.

Nice find. I know I definitley wouldn’t be putting videos of myself on YouTube without confirming I was 100% legally compliant.

Unless the station has a backup generator.

The Mach-e is a beautiful vehicle and is an example of what a good BEV could be. But, there are a lot of issues that BEVs must overcome before they will be accepted by the mass market. These issues will take time, so a 20-30 year time frame isn't unrealistic. 1) Range anxiety. Consumers are not going to be comfortable driving a vehicle with less than 300 mile range. 2) Lack of charging stations. This couples with range anxiety. The infrastructure for BEVs has a long way to go. In addition, not everyone has a garage where they can charge their vehicle overnight, i.e., what do people do who live in apartments? 3) Length of time to charge batteries. Again, this goes with range anxiety and lack of infrastructure. Consumers aren't going to wait 45 minutes to an hour or more at a charging station. 4) Cost. A Mach-e is a very nice vehicle. But for $56,000 for an extended range and AWD, is out of reach for most consumers. 5) Technology. Battery technology is in middle of changing. With the introduction of solid state batteries in the next 5 years or so, could obsolete current BEVs. Incentives and government policy aren't enough to move consumers into BEVs. BEVs have to be as convenient as ICE powered vehicles. They also need style, features, performance, etc. that consumers want to pay for.

Ford did have their own "bullet proof" diesels - the 401/6.6 and 474/7.8 engines were used in those trucks alongside Cat/Cummins/DD diesel power and FE/385 gassers. Those Ford diesels started in 1965 ag tractors and continued in various forms through about 2008 in New Holland stuff before emissions finally mandated a switch to the current Fiat-supplied motors. Anyways, the 6.6 and 7.8 in trucks seem to be regarded as slow (but what wasn't back in the days of 200 hp Class 7 trucks?) but very reliable. I never understood why Ford just walked away from that business and that engine line specifically. Why was it the IH V8 diesel that went in pickups starting in the 80s instead of Ford's successful in-house 6.6L?

Yes. ?

I didn't say that, but one could presume that. With that said the overwhelming majority would not do that. Do not confuse Central NY with anything to do with NYC....most people automatically believe that when you say "I am from NY" they assume you mean New York City...

Am I the only one that sees the new design language for the Ford front end kinda gives off a 1972 Gran Torino vibe to it?

Correct, the Powerstroke/Torq-Shift combo was capable but could not surpass the Cummins/Allison combo in sheer popularity. I still believe (and I have no proof to back it up) that the Next Gen USPS vehicle will rest on a Ford supplied chassis/powertrain assembly (Transit stripped van).

I think what Joe is referring to is "nationalist loyalty" since VW is a Euro-centric company and Ford could be seen as the American invader...but that really doesn't play outside of Germany and that Ford has been a presence in Europe for over 100 years...Ford of Great Britain began in 1909 and Ford Germany in 1925 and merging into the Ford of Europe that we know today in 1967.

Why would you assume that? Ford leads the market in Europe for a reason... The loyalty will work in Ford's favor instead of VW if you are talking about light commercial vehicles.

True now, but as improvements are made to the grid in high risk areas it will become less of a factor. Funny this is being mentioned, a good friend of mine is working on these projects as we speak. In any event if there is a blackout, you are not pumping any gas or diesel either.

Yes sir 7Mary3, that is very likely. Federal government and CARB have harmonized regulations in the past. For example, EPA Tier 3 and California LEV rules for light duty vehicle emissions are now the same. U.S. EPA Tier 3 and California LEV III Rulemakings | MECA

I mean, either way, that's going to affect BEV charging - whether it's a capacity issue or a self-induced shut down.

I think it was PT Barnum that said "the bigger the lie the more people will believe it." Will electric vehicles have a role? Of course. But it takes money- and lots of it- to replace an established and reliable energy network like oil. If Californians love the rolling blackouts and high energy prices now, wait until your charging 20 million vehicles a day.

Yes. Like California. Won't happen tomorrow, but if a BEV like the new Hummer can have a 350+ mile range and can be recharged in 20 minutes, it will work. And 1,000 H.P. will just be icing on the cake.

Why the hell would anyone want to follow a state government as broken or crooked as California's?

So, if I am correct this will require us to voluntarily report miles driven, maybe on our 1040 form. Verification how? Transponder in our cars ala EZPASS? Then not so voluntary. So how many of these would be tucked away or "lost"? A new "revenue" agent to find non conforming vehicles? We aren't even giving a contact tracer to folks coming over the border "undocumented". Trying to be politically correct. BOHICA. Or as my grandpap explained the military acronym SNAFU, situation normal, all fouled up. Found out later, after grandma left the room.

My understanding is that Pierce has dropped the Powerstroke/Torq-Shift powertrain. I don't think there was anything wrong with it, but very few if any were sold. As for the Oshkosh Postal Vehicle, that remains shrouded in mystery! Initially, Oshkosh's proposal was a heavily modified Ford Transit, but early on in the program that plan was dropped. Never heard exactly why, but I suspect the proposed vehicle just couldn't meet the USPS spec.. Oshkosh parted company with Ford and went on alone with a their own dedicated design. There is some speculation that Ford may be the ICE powertrain supplier for the Oshkosh Postal Vehicle, but I have not heard anything concrete on that yet.

I will not be surprised if the California 'zero emissions' mandate is adopted by the Federal Government sooner rather than later.

Where is the Sandy squad? I would think Sandy would be showing everyone just how progressive she truly is.... hmm and telling all it`s a cost saving measure by using the same cages as the Bama crew used (and military bases) for the retention of the newly entitled mases. OMGoodness.... the number of fence sitters is getting bigger everyday. The "I didn`t think they (Jobama & Kammy") would do that" group is verbally showing the old saying... "no need to think for yourselves just vote from home and your big government will do that for you". None of those no thinking for themselves fence sitter sheepie`s will be asking what`s that our big government is putting in their back sides if this idiot gets this pasted. "Transportation Secretary Floats Taxing Drivers by the Mile to Pay for Infrastructure Bill" "Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg on Friday said a proposal that would tax Americans for each mile they drive “shows a lot of promise.” Asked about various possible funding mechanisms for what’s expected to be a multi-trillion dollar infrastructure bill from the White House, Buttigieg said a mileage tax looks promising. “If we believe in that so-called user pays principle, the idea that part of how we pay for roads is you pay based on how much you drive, the gas tax used to be the obvious way to do it, it’s not anymore. So a so-called vehicle miles traveled tax, or mileage tax, whatever you want to call it, could be the way to do it,” he said during an appearance on CNBC’s “Squawk Box.” Other funding possibilities include a new set of bonds, a carbon tax, and an increase of the gas tax. If the latter is featured in the legislative proposal, people should keep in mind it’s more of a temporary (temporary) measure, Buttigieg said." American`s that drive for a living will be so happy to have this Indiana one term mayor`s view of the make believe world that the Jobama crew see`s. Auto Workers that don`t work in an old rehabbed train station, Independent Owner/Operators, Traveling Nurses and of course Cartage Companies in general will love paying another tax. I remember this appointee`s response to the question "what is your background and experience in transportation management?" ....and I quote "umm I was a mayor of a midwestern city so I know about pot - holes" this sheepie`s is what will be reaching into your check each week if he has his way. Note; I did political correct my statement, I was going to put it like this "sheepie`s, this guy will be reaching into your back pocket every week" but I don`t want to give the impression of any hoboafoebic references. I wonder has any sheepie (stay at home and eat your oats voters) ever heard the label given to crystal ball progressives or read a text stating "liberalism = tax and spend" or in this case "spend and tax"... Let`s do something that may be against the law if the Kammy and the old Bama crew has their way, Ok lets think about the first couple months of Jobama`s make believe world. Put union labor and skilled labor out of work with the crystal ball view of make believe new jobs in a new industry. Have union teachers tell Jobama to go pound sand. Throw the gates open and make all types of opportunities for foreign industry (cartels) to see gains in their profit margins. Get out the best toilet paper to wipe CCP asses and to have Jobama appointee`s sit on American soil an be made to look like a bunch of high school debate team losers. Have Putin tell Jobama in public to shut up or bring your old ass to a public discussion about just what Jobama can do about whatever Russia does.

The US can't go by what the rest of the world is doing. I'll bet most Europeans don't travel anywhere near as far as Americans do. Hell, even in our own country it isn't consistent. What works in California won't work in North Dakota.

You are correct - I meant auto stop/start is turned back on. I have to manually turn it off each time the vehicle starts. As to why I use auto hold all the time, I’m in a bit of a unique situation as I am disabled and use hand controls. Thus, auto hold allows me to rest my left hand while stopped.

Why is she so quiet now and not down at the border????????????

I'm thinking many want a Manual Sasquatch and are holding out for that in '22.

Optional seating for when you're forced to take the in-laws with you on vacation, lol!!!

Again, I sincerely appreciate all the advice and information presented here. Today, I got in touch with the sales manager at the Lincoln dealership via e-mail, and he confirmed: 1. They will happily accept Ford X-Plan, and I can use my PIN to special-order and purchase a 2022 Aviator. 2. They are unable to CPO Ford-brand vehicles; however, the family that owns the Lincoln dealership also owns a Ford dealership in another town. My Explorer will likely end up there if I decide to trade it. The sales manager even attached a copy of the 2022 Aviator Order Guide which I thought was very nice of him. Of course, thanks to ice-capades, I've been studying the Order Guide since last Monday. More news as it happens...

You set an excellent example Black Label sir of sharing your experiences in a polite, rational way with your dealership, with Lincoln, and on this forum. Very glad to hear that Lincoln returned the favor!

Thank you for the kind words. I appreciate it! I did rant to the Concierge several times, but always politely.

From what I've seen you've been refreshingly rationale and patient with Lincoln in trying to get full functionality from your vehicle. At some point, someone has to say "enough is enough" and I'm happy to see the courtesies you extended were offered back to you.

I appreciate them taking significant action to address your situation. I hope everything works out for you.

Pour one out for this guy....who was apparently before it's time. ?

Does anyone know if there will be a Grand Touring plug-in hybrid of the Nautilus? Initial indications are that Lincoln hasn't had enough interest from customers for a Grand Touring Nautilus. I am personally interested in a plug-in hybrid but find the Corsair too small and the Aviator too large. The Nautilus is the Goldilocks size for me. I agree

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