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Well folks, it finally happened - took delivery Tuesday evening, and it’s been a whirlwind since so I haven’t been able to take the time to post some pictures. I’ve already put 90 miles on (it had 11 at delivery so it’s just over 100 now), and it’s awesome. I've gotten several compliments and comments/questions about it both days so far! I’ll make another post about my likes, dislikes, and issues so far, but in the meantime here are some pics!

Trying to make a logical argument with this guy is like trying to teach a goldfish how to play piano.

thankyou..some common sense...anyone that literally thinks this IS possible within that timeframe has had their lips surgically attached to a GT350 start-up to prove exhaust gasses aren't good for you....same idiots think electric is the answer..NO ITS NOT...and Ill fess Im not sure what is barring a HUGE reduction in human populous. Want to save the Planet...work on that...in the interim GRADUALLY migrate from the sources of pollution you deem necessary to reduce...please note the word GRADUAL, not flick a switch and literally force people/ manufacturers to spend thousands, let alone BILLIONS overnight to appease a narrative being forced down their throats, you want to live like that god bless youbut watch closely, people rebel against lack of their own free choice....watch...happens every time regardless of subject...people reject control freaks, and that's how I see this outcome...

Congratulations! Also, totally jealous. Not completely hate you jealous, but maybe not stop you from walking into a glass door jealous. :D

I have BCE codes!!

This is where defining your terms is so important. I notice that Ford uses the term "electrified vehicles" when bragging about its electric vehicle sales. And we know that Ford means hybrids, plugins, and full electrics when using that term. So when Ford talks about producing 2 million electrics by 2026, it means the full range of electrics, not just BEVs. Now maybe some regions of N.A. will ban the sale of hybrids by 2030, but hybrids and plugins will still be needed much later in this decade. Ford also just patented a hydogen turbo powered hybrid engine it has been developing.

Received my Built email this morning. Estimated delivery to my dealer is April 9-15.

Not really, unless you're using "elements" in the most general way as in "both assemble car bodies". Ford's approach has always been to outsource everything possible to suppliers and then lever the suppliers to take on the financial risk of carrying inventory, delivering it to them only when ready, and only paying for it after it's been built into a vehicle. This is how an accountant (i.e., Harvard MBA trained at MBB) would design auto assembly ... whereas Tesla is taking a first-principles approach where they control as many of the components as possible and eliminate as many steps as possible (e.g., the new front casting machine). This is why Tesla can put together a vehicle 3x faster and 30% cheaper than, say, Volkswagen ... and it's also why 3 years ago Tesla was the laughing stock of auto assembly & now they're the benchmark. Tesla had to prove it could work by standing up a new factory in 9 months and pumping out units cheaper & faster than any competitors. The only way for Ford to duplicate Tesla's productivity & efficiency is to wholly change their entire assembly mindset ... and then build that into a completely new factory with completely new workers ... which is why they're building Blue Oval City (and VW is building their new plant in Wolfsburg) This is also why Farley is saying Ford needs "radically different human talent" and why he put Doug Field (Apple / Tesla guy) in charge of his EV division - new blood, new mindset, new engineering, new factory, new processes, et al -------------------------- and just for history's sake, the way all the OEMs got into this mess was: (1.) Building non-serious "compliance cars" during the '00s & '10s (2.) Believing the cheapest path forward was mixed platform & mixed assembly (3.) Panicking & rushing products to market that are either obviously inferior (ID3) or too expensive or difficult to make (Mach-E) GM is the only OEM to build an EV platform from the ground up (Ultium) and factory to match (Factory ZERO) and they're about hit the market pretty big: * BrightDrop EV600 commercial van (for FedEx, WalMart, et al), delivered * 2024 Hummer - 65,000 pre-orders * 2023 Cadillac Lyriq - 230,000 interested buyers, starts production ... monday? * 2023 Chevy Silverado EV * 2023 GMC Sierra EV * 2023 Bolt CUV EV * 2023 Chevy Blazer EV * 2024 Chevy Equinox EV * 2025 Cadillac Celestiq EV Other Stuff * New wholly-owned EV GM brand to sell american made cars in China * GM's Chinese JVs (e.g., SAIC, FAW, et al) * GM's new commercial service org under Steve Hill * Cruise And * PureWatercraft - GM backed EV boats Ford & Farley have taken a different approach: rush products to market on mixed platforms/factories ... it's probably the right strategy for Ford at this point, but it's risky.

No. It isn't. While maybe theoretically possible, it's not reasonable or realistic. That is less than 8 years away. What you're proposing is automakers shift their ENTIRE operations and factories from one powertrain and platform source to a completely new one in 8 years across the entire lineup. This isn't just a redesign, this is a complete shift - gutting and redoing every single factory for every automaker if they want to offer a full lineup. I guarantee automakers will be forced to offer partial/limited lineups in Washington state in 2030 because they don't have all products switched over yet. 2040 is more reasonable in my eyes. But why bother applying logic and reason when government is involved? lol

April 1st 2022 Ford may have answer to pickups that are too large for many parking spaces. The “Ar-Truck-U-late.” Made for driving to an urban job site where on street parking is at a premium, the Ar-Truck-U-late-equipped F-SuperDuty can be parked in a space only big enough for a compact car, yet retain full size cab and 8ft box. A button on the console activates an electrically powered hydraulic ram that “Inchworms” the truck into a shorter overall length. The Ar-Truck-U-late is only in prototype stage, a few tweaks are necessary before production can begin; there is only 4 cu.ft left in the box once the mechanism is stowed, and a self leveling cupholder design has not been approved, for instance. But an unidentified source familiar with the project say this is what truck buyers have been longing for. “Great for off roading!” Says the source, “highest break-over angle ever achieved in a mass produced truck!”

Yes sir.

Well mine finally arrived. Just got a message from my sales person with a couple of pictures. They are doing the spray in bedliner and tinting the windows. Ordered 1/8/22 In production 3/18/22 Built 3/19/22 Shipped 3/23/22 Arrived at railyard 3/26/22 Arrived at dealer 4/1/22

It should be easier to bring Bronco "down under" since it shares mechanicals with Ranger, conversion to RHD should be easier.

Don't Toyota's already come with that feature? I don't think you get to select when it happens though! lol

For those interested, the cross flow six was introduced as Australia went to first exhaust emissions, similar to USA ‘72 with leaded fuel and EGR. We also went to DIN engine measurement which was similar to US nett, all accessories, air cleaner and exhaust, so comparable. US 1972 250 I-6 99 hp@3600, 184 lb ft @1600 Aus 1976 4.1 I-6 123hp@3900, 216 lb ft @1900

Ok Mr. Tesla Stan, where's that $35,000 Model 3? I'll hang up and listen.

Just throwing my timeline into the mix: 2/1: Ordered at Morgan Hill Ford 2/3: Confirmation email 3/7: Sched. Week of 5/2 Today: Sched. Week of 4/25! 6.7 350 Lariat 4x4 CCLB Amazed how quickly things are moving, still prepared for worse. ?

It means they didn’t strap it to the top of one of those round liquid cars. Consider yourself lucky……

Expedition and F-150 have also lost it, It is free to add later when parts are available they are just giving you the $325 credit as it will not be active.

I always am a "glass is half full" kinda guy....so, I fixed it.

For this discussion, I'll exclude the vans, as they'd be equivalent for both sides of the pond as far as EV timeline. So, aside from the vans, the primary Euro lineup is: Fiesta Focus EcoSport (on the way out?) Puma Kuga Ranger Mustang Mach E 4 of the 8 can fall under the already being worked on MEB deal, and 1 of the 8 is already EV. So 5/8 are already likely in the works for EV conversion. Now let's look at the NA lineup - again, excluding vans (though I'll throw E-series in as it doesn't have a Euro equivalent): Mustang EcoSport (dead) Bronco Sport Escape Mach E Edge Bronco Explorer Expedition Maverick Ranger F-Series Super Duty Heavy Trucks (650/750) E-Series Corsair Nautilus Aviator Navigator You're at 18 models - 2 of which are already EV, and only one of which currently aligns with Euro MEB plans if they continue to keep Escape/Kuga as twins.....MAYBE 2 or 3 if you count BS and Corsair as C2 products. We know an Explorer/Aviator EV of some sort is in the works, and there are rumors of BEV Expy/Navi by extension of Lightning's platform. But even if you quantify those "maybes" and rumors alongside the "known" planned ones, you're still at 9 of 18 with no currently known plan for an EV shift. So Euro is at 3 of 8 unknown. NA is at 9 of 18 unknown. One shared model is Ranger, so converting it would knock 1 off both tallies, but even so, it's far easier to convert 2 or 3 model lines in Europe than 8 or 9 in the US. And I'm sorry, if these models aren't already in progress, you're not changing ALL 9 of them over in less than 8 years.

With all the uncertainty in the world right now, I don't see how any firm targets can be established on anything. Only goals. We are well into 2022 now, and we seem to be moving farther away from normality, not closer. So IMO firm targets are meaningless.

The good news is that for my troubles, I seem to be getting a free Mach E included in my purchase ? ?

https://fordauthority.com/2022/03/stellantis-hurricane-3-0l-i-6-debuts-as-future-ford-ecoboost-v6-rival/ Sounds like something a couple of us were advocating a year or two ago...

It’s been very helpful to show my girlfriend other examples of guy’s spending thousands of dollars to upgrade brand new trucks (some that haven’t even arrived yet). It bolsters my argument this is “normal “ behavior!

It’s been more a long term fading concern for me, which Is also why I wanted the painted top. yeah I feel the graphic nicely breaks up and tone down what is otherwise a rather bright color. I agree with you on the silver ring not looking right.

I got the last one today....

So it looks like Active park assist will NOT be added to F-150 and Expeditions at a later date, you also lose reverse brake assist when the system is deleted. MACH-E and Navigator will have the option to have it added later. Halogen headlamps are now optional on XLT 302a, Lariat 500a and 501a. (LED headlamp delete) No good info if this is going to become a required option like Active park assist delete or if it is really optional. Bronco also loses the Navigation system as Navigation delete is now a required option.

Well Happy Birthday 787toolman !

Sure hope you get scheduled soon. Just after the first of the year I removed all the options that I can do after market except for the 5th wheel prep in hopes of getting scheduled. Maybe just a coincidence but I was scheduled a week after removing the other constrained items and a bunch of smaller options. Best of luck to you.

Just because you said not to I did.... Damn my curiosity.

Maybe it is the new Ford program to ease the assembly backlog, they just ship you the frame first and all the other pieces and parts follow for you to put it together yourself like Ikea furniture. Actually, the Johnny Cash song "One Piece at a Time" could very well be more accurate. All we can do is try to keep a positive attitude considering everything we have been through

That's correct GrussGott. Very risky indeed, but it's something Ford must do order to achieve its electrification goals for both Ford and Lincoln brands and make up for its past mistakes in that area. The good news is that Ford is making progress getting the "radically different human talent" it needs to succeed with BEV. In addition to Doug Field, Alan Clarke (Tesla's former engineering director) now works for Ford too. As Ford continues to grow its in-house BEV talent over the next few years, and as Blue Oval City and the revamped BEV focused Cologne site among others commence operations, I think the "totally and completely different production model" necessary for BEV leadership will become the norm at Ford by 2030.

Actually, those late Cummins powered 1980-style F-800's were built in Mexico, KTP had largely shut down for retooling in 1997. Things were very much up in the air at that time as the F series mediums were supposed to have been replaced by medium duty versions of the HN80. When the HN80 program was sold to Freightliner (and KTP was cleared out) some F series mediums were imported from Mexico to fill the gap. They were all single axle Cummins B5.9 powered with very limited options. This went on for about 2 years before a 'new' F-650 Super Duty debuted in 2000, also a Mexican import. That truck wasn't much more than the old F series medium with a Super Duty cab stuck on it and a few more options. That 650 ran 2 years until it was replaced by the 'Blue Diamond' 650 and 750. Yes, the UAW was indeed 'thrown a bone' when Ford took the medium duty trucks back in house and put them at OAP. Nothing wrong with that, Ford wanted to stay in the medium duty market and the trucks had to be built somewhere, so OAP was it. Now if Ford is planning on converting OAP to BEV's, then it makes sense to move the 650/750 to Mexico. The UAW ought to be happy as BEV's have a much brighted future than a low volume ICE medium duty truck. I know if I worked at OAP I would feel more secure about my job if all this turn out to be the case. One other thing I have been thinking about: If OAP is going to BEV's and the 650/750 is going to Mexico, what about the other comercial vehicles produced at OAP? I would speculate that a possible secenerio could be something like the smaller Super Duty cab/chassis models move to KTP along with the F53 chassis. The remains of the E series could probably be dumped now and replaced buy Transit cutaways. Now before anyone comments about KTP's capacity, consider this: Gasoline and diesel fuel in my area are over $6.00/gal., and I have seen diesel at $6.99. And no one thinks the prices will come down that much. A lot of these yahoo's that buy fully loaded Super Duty Platnum and King Ranch trucks just to tool around town in are going to dissappear and I expect non-commercial Super Duty sales to eventually take a hit.

The rapidly rising price of nickel is changing some plans. Tesla has worked diligently on supply contracts for raw materials and uses lithium iron phosphate cells in the standard range models. They are less affected than others, but are still raising prices considerably. This will have consequences as to when if ever BEV reaches price parity with ICE. LFP batteries are primarily from China, so that doesn’t relieve national security issues, but expect that to change in the future as the materials are more widely available. More companies will be using them as an alternative to higher priced NMC batteries with shorter range for the same weight. I still think hybrids and plug in hybrids are the way to go for the next decade or two. Lots of bang for the buck in terms of fuel savings vs materials needed for batteries. A plug-in hybrid could save 80-90% of fuel (highly dependent on length of trip) with less than 20% of the battery capacity of a full BEV. A wireless charging pad on the garage floor to keep it charged is effortless.

Ford will show the codes tomorrow then take them away and say, April Fools, lol...my bday too...

F250now

I would guess it's probably only going to be the 650 and 750 going to Mexico if that's indeed the plan.

Good question amtrucker22. I wouldn't be surprised if the retrofit will require affected Mustang Mach-E customers to pay for the labor at their dealership's service department, but maybe Ford will cover the installation costs after all.

BCE Modules appeared today, another step closer. I was scheduled to the day (3/29) but still just show in production with no date. Hope to get the built email tomorrow. My weight has been a lot shorter than some folks. I am at two months right now since ordered.

My sticker became available a week before my build date.

In Production - Produced Ford Kentucky Truck Plant 2, KY Mar-29-2022, 00:00 EDT

For example, Dominion Utility in Virginia wants to build a massive multi billion dollar wind farm along the Virginia shore to meet its renewable target percentage. However, the attorney general of Virginia is taking Dominion to court in trying to delay or stop the project. Moreover, all electric cars can't help much if all their energy comes from fossil fuel power plants. That is why in the interim hybrids are the sweet spot in this market.....use up to 50% less fuel and 50% cleaner than conventional ICE. It will take decades for the power grid to transition to 100% renewables.

You are going to have to change your username soon!

The holster pictured is just a cheap $20 holster. Modified a bit as you can see by the cut I had to put in top of the mount and the spacers, along with having to shave the belt clip down a bit. So its not prettiest thing but it works for now. The current set up I have utilizes the belt clip that comes with the holster and clips into it as it would to your belt, so you have full retention when drawing out of it. The new one offers different clips you can choose from based off of your holster type. So you change the belt clip that comes on your holster with one. Couple examples pictured. It then slides into a slot on top of the mount which has a release you can see if that picture from earlier. This will let me flush mount it instead of having to put spacers behind it like I had to do to my current one for the clip to clear. These mounts can be mounted almost anywhere.... side of nightstand, under desk, etc. They also have a belt attachment to transition to on body carry. I have encountered one stop. When they approached I already had everything in my hand resting on the door, along with my wifes permit. When he got to me I told him we both had carry permits that were in my hand and that my firearm was holstered next to my leg and hers was on her. He checked out the permits and said appreciate you letting me know up front because most don't until he runs them and that was that.

My second favorite color.

How much IT experience do you guys have? I have over 35 years and that’s not how the software works. It doesn’t check each order one by one which is what it would have to do to do what you’re asking. Could it be done with enough time and money? Of course but it’s not as simple as you think. Not to mention that once we get past the supply chain issues it wouldn’t be needed.

I have a Lincoln Corsair Grand PHEV on order for exactly this reason. We're not ready to commit to BEV until the ranges and charging capacities are increased. Given the rate of technological advancement, it seems reasonable that in 5-7 years time we could expect 500-600 mile ranges that would make road-tripping much more feasible (not to mention huge gains in charging infrastructure.)

It’s possible now if you get a 300 mile range EV and you’re willing to plan your trip around charging and charging stations and waiting 1-2 hours per day. You might get lucky and be able to stay somewhere that can charge overnight. But in my experience those are few and far between outside big cities. Personally I think it will take the next generation battery that charges much faster and a significant buildup of the charging infrastructure which I think will take at least 5 years but that’s just my personal view. Until then you’re better suited with a PHEV.