FordBuyer Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 18 minutes ago, falconlover 1 said: Car and Driver being Car and Driver. No matter how good is a Ford vehicle. No matter how good is a Ford feature in their vehicles. Car and Driver say that is not enough good for them. Ford designed the 1st electric truck that cover the traditional truck buyer needs and much more. With revolutionary features and capabilities. A truck that will put the EV at the center of the American market. But a Car and Driver guy think Ford missed the opportunity to made a race track ready truck, with low suspension and 0 to 60 in 2 sec. Maybe Ford will make in the near future a sport truck based on the Lightning to please Car and Driver. But now, the news are this truck. The first electric truck for the masses. But that is not enough for Car and Driver and their biased journalists. They have the Dodge Boys for the boy racer crowd. Clouds of smoke and giving the finger out the window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, FordBuyer said: They have the Dodge Boys for the boy racer crowd. Clouds of smoke and giving the finger out the window. and that's in the Service Drive.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted May 20, 2021 Author Share Posted May 20, 2021 How can they say 4.5 seconds 0-60 in a FULL-SIZE pickup is not performance-oriented? I swear, some people just want to complain about anything. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 18 minutes ago, Anthony said: How can they say 4.5 seconds 0-60 in a FULL-SIZE pickup is not performance-oriented? I swear, some people just want to complain about anything. I was once a passenger in a Porsche Turbo S that does 0-60 in about 2.7 seconds. I got pushed back so hard that I couldn't breath. Not a comfortable feeling. These insane acceleration times are getting out of hand for non professional racing drivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 On 5/18/2021 at 7:46 AM, sullynd said: https://www.onlineev.com/biden-to-pitch-his-174-bln-electric-vehicle-plan-in-michigan/?fbclid=IwAR3u2u3fKwws3urNPPRP67zIrMJxOH-8TEKOxLnYSGA9gZ5Mk9ksFx-Ggl4 Biden touring today and doing press conference, likely with new incentives (interesting as some have suggested they may be for US production only). Guess they’ll have the Lightning under wraps? Can’t imagine they’ll spoil tomorrow’s reveal. Too bad they couldn’t get him to wait a couple days. President Biden's tour of Ford Rouge Electric Vehicle Center and test drive of F-150 Lightning inspired him to consider electrifying the White House vehicle fleet, including the Presidential limo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Anthony said: I swear, some people just want to complain about anything. People have collectively lost their minds... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 4 hours ago, FordBuyer said: Ford claims they got 20,000 reservations within 12 hours. Wonder how many Lightnings can be made in 1 year at the new plant? Maybe 50,000? Looks like many more orders coming. From Automotive News: "Wolfe Research analyst Rod Lache, in an investor note Thursday, estimated Lightning production would be limited to 80,000 pickups per year, based on capacity data from parts plants that supply the truck." https://www.autonews.com/executives/ford-limit-f-150-lightning-output-20k-reservations-booked?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20210520&utm_content=hero-readmore 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader 10 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 6 hours ago, bzcat said: So you are ok with $5 a gallon gas that was fracked or extracted in the US? Because that's probably what gas extracted in the US should cost without various subsidies and removed legal liabilities for environmental clean up cost. The US is a large oil producer because of the tax subsidies. Without which, domestic producers cannot compete with Saudi Arabia. We accept that there is an economic incentive for the US Govt to subsidize gasoline extraction and production in the US. Just like there is an economic incentive for US Govt to subsidize EV production and adoption in the US. The Govt subsidizes all kinds of things and industries. Why single out EV subsidy, which is both insignificant but yet proved to be very effective? Like you said... Tesla is selling very well without them, which means the previous tax incentive clearly worked as intended. We spend a lot more every year subsidizing corn than EV. Let's put this in perspective. BTW, I think it is very reasonable to limit any new EV subsidy to vehicles and/or battery packs produced in the US only. We don't need to subsidize Chinese battery or German labor. If Ford wants to take advantage of the credit, bring the midsize EV back to Ohio... fair and square. Please list the “various subsidies” you are referring too. Also, please point out the corn subsidies you mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 WE ARE NOW AT 65 RESERVATIONS AND CLIMBING...……... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, Deanh said: WE ARE NOW AT 65 RESERVATIONS AND CLIMBING...……... C"MON 100! HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustangchief Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Got my reservation in, glad I have a half year to figure out what configuration. Right now it is just basic with extended range battery to use as a local everyday work truck. I normally don't drive more than 100 miles in a day so it will fit well in my driveway. I have an Aviator GT for long trips, so adding a dual charger is easy (already on a dedicated 50A circuit). The question will be how much luxury I want to pamper myself with for just local use and what comes on the basic model. The biggest question I have is the technology behind the whole house generator. My current generator requires a transfer switch between the metered circuit and the house to prevent back feeding the line when they are working on it. It is 150ft to my ATS from the garage charging station, hopefully they provision for a control wire. #8 copper aint cheap any more. Probable the biggest complaint people will have is the $$ to put in an ATS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 22 hours ago, ANTAUS said: I actually had some friends over with some drinks to watch it...I think everyone was shocked at $39K for starting price but we figured the norm would be $70k+. Bill did a good job, Linda was a bit nervous but did well, but personally... I was wondering what issues Jim had.. Either the pants were too tight (totally off the mark), or he doesn't know how to walk graciously on stage, oh he's bow-legged, but something was off with him. Jim talks in the same manor as his famous cousin. Short jabs are good, but their speech pattern is not built for long sentences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Deanh said: WE ARE NOW AT 65 RESERVATIONS AND CLIMBING...……... California 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 29 minutes ago, mustangchief said: Probable the biggest complaint people will have is the $$ to put in an ATS. Heck, for the 100amp circuit they are talking about, you're probably looking at #2, at $2ft/conductor,,,, I ended-up using #6 for the 60amp 75' run I had, to add a 240V outlet in my garage. HRG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Trader 10 said: Please list the “various subsidies” you are referring too. Also, please point out the corn subsidies you mentioned. Not the correct forum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader 10 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, akirby said: Not the correct forum. Fine. Please delete the post I quoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Enjoy this speculation by C&D: “We Bet F-150 Lightning's Range Is under 100 Miles when Towing at the Max“ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/amp36481590/ford-f150-lightning-range-towing/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slemke Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 50 minutes ago, HotRunrGuy said: Heck, for the 100amp circuit they are talking about, you're probably looking at #2, at $2ft/conductor,,,, I ended-up using #6 for the 60amp 75' run I had, to add a 240V outlet in my garage. HRG Or use aluminum service run. That’s what the electricians around here use unless you want to pay more. 2-2-2-4 at a $1.5 per foot. Or step up to 1/0-1/0-1/0-2 for $2.5 and support 125A in the future. might as well get the transfer switch and break out the loads you want backed up when having a charger installed. At least Ford and GM are going the mobile power wall route. It won’t be long and others will join. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slemke Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, tbone said: Enjoy this speculation by C&D: “We Bet F-150 Lightning's Range Is under 100 Miles when Towing at the Max“ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/amp36481590/ford-f150-lightning-range-towing/ Quite possibly close to 50 miles, depending on trailer aerodynamics, terrain, and speed. Take epa highway, divided by Ike gauntlet mpg the divide range by that and you’re right around 50 miles = 300/(24/4). I’m interested to see how much range the Ike gauntlet requires. The downhill portion could significantly recharge the battery. Provided the system doesn’t overheat and battery current needs to be limited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 10 hours ago, bzcat said: First, you can't do math ? 3 x 400,000 x 7,500 = $9 billion, not 3 trillion. $9 billion over a decade is a drop in the bucket to the Federal Govt. We spent multiple times that every year subsidizing the oil industry. Second, there is nothing wrong with UG Govt using tax incentives to encourage a positive outcome. That's good Govt policy. Third, if you are going to act like a simpleton and not think critically about what this little tiny tax break can mean to a whole industry, then you should apply the same standards to every industry. The oil industry is already well established, and yet we pile state and federal subsidies to fracking industry, exempting or limit its mitigation liabilities. If people claim to be supporting the fossil fuel technology, they should be prepared to pay for it. Not to mention that we've spent several trillion dollars on wars in the Middle East, mostly to keep the oil flowing... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slemke Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 The lightning is using SK’s 9-1/2-1/2 NMC cathode pouch cells mfg in Commerce,GA: http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200810000683 Seem to be leading edge delivering better energy density and faster charging than the 8-1-1 cells. Also, they are lower cost due to the lower cobalt content. I couldn’t find any additional info on the cell specifications. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 15 hours ago, silvrsvt said: People have collectively lost their minds... On street drag racing is a major safety issue in many states. It's out of control in many areas. Guess you buy a 700hp Charger and hit the local service drive and You Tube it. Many are pushing 1,000 hp. Lots of people are going to get hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 11 hours ago, slemke said: Quite possibly close to 50 miles, depending on trailer aerodynamics, terrain, and speed. Take epa highway, divided by Ike gauntlet mpg the divide range by that and you’re right around 50 miles = 300/(24/4). I’m interested to see how much range the Ike gauntlet requires. The downhill portion could significantly recharge the battery. Provided the system doesn’t overheat and battery current needs to be limited. How about real cold temps in winter? There goes more loss of range. Still think battery range needs to improve more to 400+ miles or more to make BEV only vehicle needed plus faster charging times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 2 hours ago, FordBuyer said: Still think battery range needs to improve more to 400+ miles or more to make BEV only vehicle needed plus faster charging times. Plus charging stations as common as gas stations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: California Apparently we have over 10% of Commiefornias reservations...not bad for a Mum and Pop store! we were at 85 early this morning...….. Edited May 21, 2021 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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