Oac98 Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 1 hour ago, tbone said: What is your opinion of this deal? Could be better. It’s not horrible not great. UAW comparisons flying. People pissed no profit sharing. Wanting more percentages in comparison to uaw. 3 year contract is a factor. Retooling questions, retool delayed til end of second quarter 2024 possibly later. No SWW during retool. SUB AND EI 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 37 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: Update on Ford and the UAW proposals https://fordauthority.com/2023/09/ford-contract-proposal-progress-outlined-by-uaw/ Ugh, I just want this to be over 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazerdude20 Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Ugh, I just want this to be over Sure seems like Ford and UAW may reach a deal sooner than later. We just went through this in my industry recently and it was very stressful. Finally went to binding arbitration in DC where a board imposed a contract upon the companies and the union members. No one is particularly happy on either side but the deal is reasonable and fair in my opinion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 4 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Ugh, I just want this to be over I can’t imagine having to do this every 4 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, T-dubz said: I can’t imagine having to do this every 4 years It’s not normally anywhere near this stressful Edited September 23, 2023 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 3 hours ago, blazerdude20 said: No one is particularly happy on either side That’s how you know it’s fair. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 6 hours ago, silvrsvt said: Update on Ford and the UAW proposals https://fordauthority.com/2023/09/ford-contract-proposal-progress-outlined-by-uaw/ Wow, UAW cancels additional actions at Ford plants because it sees meaningful progress, Ford is offering to reinstate COLA. This will probably force GM an Stellantis to do similar kind of agreements…… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 Unifor deal passed. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2023/09/24/unifor-members-ratify-contract-with-ford/70953724007/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 12 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Unifor deal passed. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2023/09/24/unifor-members-ratify-contract-with-ford/70953724007/ Of course it was gonna get rammed through UNIFORD does it again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 13 minutes ago, Oacjay98 said: Of course it was gonna get rammed through UNIFORD does it again! I hope it provides enough of what you were hoping for - congrats (I guess?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 54 percent pass go to unifor auto talks site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Oacjay98 said: Of course it was gonna get rammed through UNIFORD does it again! How is a member vote ramming it through? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 18 minutes ago, akirby said: How is a member vote ramming it through? Lol a rigged vote. Honestly whatever it’s done now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 The UAW will get more as they always do. Many skeptical of votes akirby because people who quit got emails to vote. Also people who are retired and don’t work there also got emails to vote. Regardless I predicted this would go through and it did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paintguy Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Oacjay98 said: Lol a rigged vote. Honestly whatever it’s done now. Hey, in the USA that is dangerously close to political talk. LOL Apologies to moderator in advance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 1 hour ago, paintguy said: Hey, in the USA that is dangerously close to political talk. LOL Apologies to moderator in advance... Lol I know all too well about US politics which this Canadian will stay out of. The workforce is very divided over the contract. 54 percent ratification shows that. People are really suspicious of the union. I predicted if this passed it would be by a narrow margin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) Fingers crossed Ford get the deal nailed soon…..let the other two keep arguing with the UAW. Edited September 25, 2023 by jpd80 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted September 25, 2023 Author Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) UAW Might Be Demanding Too Much Washington Post Opinion by Catherine Rampell via the Las Vegas Sun, published in today's Las Vegas Review-Journal (No link available) Las Vegas Review-Journal_2023-09-25_UAW Might Be Demanding Too Much.pdf Edited September 25, 2023 by ice-capades Additional Content 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Is there an echo in here? ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 3 hours ago, ice-capades said: UAW Might Be Demanding Too Much Washington Post Opinion by Catherine Rampell via the Las Vegas Sun, published in today's Las Vegas Review-Journal (No link available) Las Vegas Review-Journal_2023-09-25_UAW Might Be Demanding Too Much.pdf Wow, that came from the Post? I about fell out of my chair! Although I raise an eyebrow to “booming demand” for BEVs, and the the implications of being “reliant” on the demand for gas-guzzling trucks and SUVs. Sorry, you can’t help providing what people actually want to buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted September 25, 2023 Author Share Posted September 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, tbone said: Wow, that came from the Post? I about fell out of my chair! Although I raise an eyebrow to “booming demand” for BEVs, and the the implications of being “reliant” on the demand for gas-guzzling trucks and SUVs. Sorry, you can’t help providing what people actually want to buy. Agreed about the so-called booming demand for BEV's... where is it exactly? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 48 minutes ago, ice-capades said: Agreed about the so-called booming demand for BEV's... where is it exactly? The capacity appears to be there now but the demand seems to have faded. Tesla still has the advantage when it comes to BEVs, as it is seen as the originator of the electric car and it is also considered by many to be a luxury vehicle, whether it is or not, so it does not surprise me their sales numbers are better in this category. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, tbone said: The capacity appears to be there now but the demand seems to have faded. Tesla still has the advantage when it comes to BEVs, as it is seen as the originator of the electric car and it is also considered by many to be a luxury vehicle, whether it is or not, so it does not surprise me their sales numbers are better in this category. It is a host of different things: https://www.theautopian.com/electric-vehicle-demand-summer-2023/ “Price cuts do show that we’re in sort of an equilibrium of demand and supply and price so when sales aren’t there, they’re going to be dropping price,” said Mark Wakefield, co-head of consultancy AlixPartners’ automotive practice. “Tesla in particular has the room to do that.” Wakefield said it is too soon to declare that U.S. EV demand has hit a plateau. “We see it as choppy growth, but continued growth,” he said. IMO I think the cratering in demand is over reported and not as big of deal as people are making it out to be. Edited September 25, 2023 by silvrsvt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 14 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: It is a host of different things: https://www.theautopian.com/electric-vehicle-demand-summer-2023/ IMO I think the cratering in demand is over reported and not as big of deal as people are making it out to be. I’m respect to your posted quote, Tesla certainly has a labor cost advantage to cut the car prices, assuming the Post article is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 I predicted a plateau and we’re pretty close but I think it’s mainly about pricing right now. Drop prices $10k - $20k and sales will accelerate again. You’re just not going to get huge sales volume from $60k+ vehicles. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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