fuzzymoomoo Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 From the 2019 UAW/Ford contract summary: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickp Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Take that doc with a grain of salt. I have a feeling Ford has some tricks up their sleeve with the “swing gate” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, Nickp said: Take that doc with a grain of salt. I have a feeling Ford has some tricks up their sleeve with the “swing gate” It is what it is man, I don't know what "tricks" you could possibly be referring to but I can promise you they’re not accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willwll313wll Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: It is what it is man, I don't know what "tricks" you could possibly be referring to but I can promise you they’re not accurate. I think he's hoping for a "trick" swing gate and tail gate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Willwll313wll said: I think he's hoping for a "trick" swing gate and tail gate. I wouldn't hold my breath. Maybe one day, but probably not now. I think You'll see that stuff on F-series first before it makes its way to Ranger/Bronco. Kinda like features that Lincoln used to exclusively have but eventually made their way to the Ford lineup Edited February 21, 2020 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willwll313wll Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 I was hoping for a tailgate as well. It's one of my favorite things about my Bronco. But it isn't a deal breaker for me. I'll likely buy Mach E until I can afford a used Bronco Raptor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Willwll313wll said: I was hoping for a tailgate as well. It's one of my favorite things about my Bronco. But it isn't a deal breaker for me. I'll likely buy Mach E until I can afford a used Bronco Raptor. Ditto for the tailgate, but i'll be content with the roll-down rear window. Here's hoping this magic tailgate is more real than Big Foot ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) Found this on another forum: Quote A-Plan (Ford Employees): 3% below MSRP plus $275 administrative fee Z-Plan (Ford Retirees): Same as A-Plan D-Plan (Dealer Employees): Same as A-Plan X-Plan (Ford Partners, Friends & Neighbors): 2% below MSRP plus $275 administrative fee They said it's Bronco specific pricing; I don't know if these are typical prices or not. 2% MSRP doesn't sound like a lot... from what I've read here, Ford prices their trucks higher in anticipation of selling below MSRP. My question is this: Is X-Plan actually worth it? Or can you get a better deal negotiating? Edited February 21, 2020 by probowler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, probowler said: My question is this: Is X-Plan actually worth it? Or can you get a better deal negotiating? Depends on your dealer, what you're buying and how good at negotiating you are. If you’re buying something like a Mustang (except for the Shelby models since they aren't eligible for AXZ pricing) that typically doesn't have a ton of rebates or dealer incentives on it then it's almost always worth it for X-plan over trying to negotiate. The biggest advantage of X-plan is the $100 limit to the doc fees if you’re not a shrewd negotiator. Edited February 21, 2020 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 9 hours ago, probowler said: Found this on another forum: Not correct. A/Z plan is 4% below dealer invoice. D plan is A/Z plan plus $100. X plan for Ford is 0.4% below dealer invoice + $275. Lincoln is 0.6% above dealer invoice + $275. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Rebates also stack on top of AXZ plan price too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 hours ago, T-dubz said: Rebates also stack on top of AXZ plan price too Usually but there can be exceptions. E.g. private cash offers generally exclude AZD plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stampede.Offroad Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 On 2/16/2020 at 1:38 AM, jpd80 said: ... there's only a only a small demographic that wants a showroom Bronco to be an extreme off road vehicle. To the extent, that SFA and decoupling anti-roll bars are are just not on this product envelope. It will have a much better balance of on road performance and that a crappy old SFA will never ever match.... There are a lot of people claiming to have seen it that think otherwise. Either behind the scenes or at the dealer presentations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 As I've said before, there was a serious rock crawler version planned but I don't think they went through with it. So that's why it's best not to build folks hopes up, T6 is IFS, the troller connection is only parts borrowed from Ranger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 ...mall cruiser it is then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 I wonder if the Bronco launch goes well, demand is awesome and people keep on Ford about SFA they might be willing to restart that rock crawler program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 12 hours ago, snooter said: ...mall cruiser it is then... Wrangler is, 228,000 people a year buy it but there’s little proof that the majority even go off road. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 hour ago, jpd80 said: Wrangler is, 228,000 people a year buy it but there’s little proof that the majority even go off road. I have been told there will be an "R" model; Bronco...so remains to be seen...personally Id go the Raptor route rather than the rock crawling crowd...bigger market by far. Theres also rumblings of a "full size" variant...read that as larger than what we have seen so far..and I wouldn't doubt it if this model garners the success I believe it will...... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 From what I heard, 7-speed manual with super low first gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02MustangGT Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, jpd80 said: From what I heard, 7-speed manual with super low first gear. ....for the safety of all of the mall patrons and traversing those speed bumps. ?? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share Posted February 25, 2020 11 minutes ago, jpd80 said: From what I heard, 7-speed manual with super low first gear. I wonder if that would find its way into the Mustang-different gearing, of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 minute ago, 02MustangGT said: ....for the safety of all of the mall patrons and traversing those speed bumps. ?? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 18 minutes ago, Deanh said: I have been told there will be an "R" model; Bronco...so remains to be seen...personally Id go the Raptor route rather than the rock crawling crowd...bigger market by far. Theres also rumblings of a "full size" variant...read that as larger than what we have seen so far..and I wouldn't doubt it if this model garners the success I believe it will...... There was a full sized when the family was conceived but it was put on hold 2+ years ago, Biggest issue was where it could be built and engineering resources, it didn’t make it far in review. I did hear that the Rivian skateboard is now being considered as a type of Ford halo electric off-roader and be in a market where no one else is and easily identified as a core Ford strength. There should be some more modest announcements in the next 60 days on the Ford and Rivian partnership/development. One of the issues is Rivian and Ford want to remain publicly independent, but is becoming more integrated with some Ford technologies and suppliers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pictor Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, jasonj80 said: There was a full sized when the family was conceived but it was put on hold 2+ years ago, Biggest issue was where it could be built and engineering resources, it didn’t make it far in review. I did hear that the Rivian skateboard is now being considered as a type of Ford halo electric off-roader and be in a market where no one else is and easily identified as a core Ford strength. There should be some more modest announcements in the next 60 days on the Ford and Rivian partnership/development. One of the issues is Rivian and Ford want to remain publicly independent, but is becoming more integrated with some Ford technologies and suppliers. Then there is this speculation on Autoblog, the return of the short bed F150 Raptor https://www.autoblog.com/2020/02/24/ford-bronco-raptor-mule-spied/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.I. Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) One publication say the powertrain in the new Bronco will be the 2.7 V6 with 10 sp auto. 350 HP? https://fordauthority.com/2020/02/heres-what-will-power-the-2021-ford-bronco-exclusive/ Edited February 25, 2020 by falconlover 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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