slemke Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Footballfan said: There is no other plant where Mustang can easily be moved to. I was thinking LAP, particularly if Escape sales don’t pick up. Another product will need to be placed there. Keeping it where it is now and continuing to look for another product to fill the space is good for the short term. Maybe a 4 door Mustang and Lincoln sedan or coupe would do the trick. Or a Lincoln convertible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, slemke said: I was thinking LAP, particularly if Escape sales don’t pick up. Another product will need to be placed there. Keeping it where it is now and continuing to look for another product to fill the space is good for the short term. Maybe a 4 door Mustang and Lincoln sedan or coupe would do the trick. Or a Lincoln convertible. Fusion Active for FRAP? I don't see Mustang ever leaving SE Michigan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 37 minutes ago, slemke said: An uncooperative union won’t help the situation. The union isn't being uncooperative though, and in fact for the last 40 years the UAW and Ford have had the best relationship of the big 3. Make no mistake, the union is unhappy about the situation but as of this moment all we are seeing is political posturing and feather ruffling. It remains to be seen what, if any, discernible action the union takes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slemke Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, Footballfan said: Fusion Active for FRAP? I don't see Mustang ever leaving SE Michigan. Possibly, depends on how tall it ends up being. Even that might be too tall. I’m doubtful it will leave MI also. I think Bill Ford has publicity stated as much. That’s why Ford keeps searching for something to keep the plant open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Ford should build more plants in mexico....gnashing of teeth sure to ensue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 On 3/17/2021 at 5:34 PM, AGR said: It's my uneducated guess that they're going to move some SD pickup production to Avon Lake, since they already build the SD chassis cabs there. This would free up capacity at KTP for more SUVs. Now that makes sense. And probably a Powerboost Super Duty with the power generator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgeh Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 22 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: I've tried with him, it's literally impossible. Especially when he keeps flat out saying I don't deserve to have a job and has zero clue what he's talking about. He's lost any chance of me being civil when he's involved. I notice that very few respond to his posts. I suspect that many here have him on ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 20 hours ago, rmc523 said: He's been on my ignore list for years now, might be worth you using it. I have recently put him (as well as a few others) on the ignore list...makes my experience here a lot better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) Our friend doesn't get it, Ford cancelled building San Louis Potosi and took a bath on it, it is not going to revisit building a new plant in Mexico, it's just loading up the two it has. Edited March 19, 2021 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 24 minutes ago, jpd80 said: Our friend doesn't get it, Hasn't he proven that time and time again? We've all tried explaining all of this to him and he just doesn't comprehend it. It's best to just ignore him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Hasn't he proven that time and time again? We've all tried explaining all of this to him and he just doesn't comprehend it. It's best to just ignore him. My post was less about him and more about Ford's current thinking on Mexican plants, I say current because Ford changes plans like underpants, they're reactive not proactive. The alliance with VW saved Jim Hackett and Ford from a ton of embarrassment on how to restructure itself in Europe and provide affordable BEVs because from what I see, there was sweet FA in the pipeline for compact and mid-sized BEVs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Avon Lake never made sense for them to begin with. It is a truck plant. It just makes sense to put EVs in a plant already built for it that has access capacity especially when profits for EVs are non-existent to none. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 8 hours ago, ausrutherford said: Avon Lake never made sense for them to begin with. It is a truck plant. It just makes sense to put EVs in a plant already built for it that has access capacity especially when profits for EVs are non-existent to none. It achieved an objective at the time of negotiations, just like taking FRAP off the chopping block, Ford giveth and Ford taketh away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 On 3/19/2021 at 6:49 PM, jpd80 said: My post was less about him and more about Ford's current thinking on Mexican plants, I say current because Ford changes plans like underpants, they're reactive not proactive. The alliance with VW saved Jim Hackett and Ford from a ton of embarrassment on how to restructure itself in Europe and provide affordable BEVs because from what I see, there was sweet FA in the pipeline for compact and mid-sized BEVs. So what is Hackett doing now since he left Ford? Mark Fields heads some Equity Fund and appears on MCNBC to comment upon the auto sector. Seen him on there more than a few times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 On 3/19/2021 at 7:41 PM, ausrutherford said: Avon Lake never made sense for them to begin with. It is a truck plant. It just makes sense to put EVs in a plant already built for it that has access capacity especially when profits for EVs are non-existent to none. Article today about a new Fusion/Mondeo wagon hybrid seen in camo. Looks to me like good possibility for FLAP. Reports of Escape 2.5L 4 cyl with 20 more hp. Standard with awd. Supposed to be at dealers in early 2022. Should be revealed this fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 2 hours ago, FordBuyer said: Article today about a new Fusion/Mondeo wagon hybrid seen in camo. Looks to me like good possibility for FLAP. Reports of Escape 2.5L 4 cyl with 20 more hp. Standard with awd. Supposed to be at dealers in early 2022. Should be revealed this fall. proof/link(s)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: proof/link(s)? Ford Fusion Rugged Wagon Allegedly Coming With 222-HP Hybrid Setup (motor1.com) Original source: Ford Mondeo successor - a hybrid crossover in 2022! | CAR Magazine Edited March 21, 2021 by AGR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisH Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 2 hours ago, AGR said: Ford Fusion Rugged Wagon Allegedly Coming With 222-HP Hybrid Setup (motor1.com) Original source: Ford Mondeo successor - a hybrid crossover in 2022! | CAR Magazine I didn’t read anything that would indicate that this is coming to North America. Am I missing something? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, CurtisH said: I didn’t read anything that would indicate that this is coming to North America. Am I missing something? It’s been a rumor for quite a while now. Ford has mentioned in the past they are going after Jeep (Bronco family) and Subaru (this product). Ford also told dealerships that the Fusion name isn’t going away. It also would help out Flat Rock with additional product (Fusion was built there before and this wagon isn’t too tall to be built there), why the Edge is a deadman walking for next 3-4 years before most likely transformed into a BEV. Edited March 22, 2021 by silvrsvt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisH Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 hour ago, silvrsvt said: It’s been a rumor for quite a while now. Ford has mentioned in the past they are going after Jeep (Bronco family) and Subaru (this product). Ford also told dealerships that the Fusion name isn’t going away. It also would help out Flat Rock with additional product (Fusion was built there before and this wagon isn’t too tall to be built there), why the Edge is a deadman walking for next 3-4 years before most likely transformed into a BEV. I knew it was a rumor. I thought maybe the “coming to America” part had moved past the rumor stage and I just missed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 54 minutes ago, CurtisH said: I knew it was a rumor. I thought maybe the “coming to America” part had moved past the rumor stage and I just missed it. I don't think it has. I brought it up to a friend who works at FRAP and he hadn't heard anything beyond the rumors 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Please don’t mention Coming to America. That damned VHS rental cost me $80 when I left it on the roof of the car on the way to return it. Crazy that new vhs movies cost that much back then. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 22 minutes ago, akirby said: Please don’t mention Coming to America. That damned VHS rental cost me $80 when I left it on the roof of the car on the way to return it. Crazy that new vhs movies cost that much back then. Off topic, again. HRG 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, CurtisH said: I didn’t read anything that would indicate that this is coming to North America. Am I missing something? Sales volume in Europe alone wouldn't pencil out so China and North America must be in the mix. This is why Ford punted on the Edge replacement... Ford Europe argued Mondeo was more important worldwide and they got the money to redo it. The concession it appears is that they have to take the drivetrain that is optimized for North America (2.5 hybrid) instead of developing their own - further development of the more Euro-friendly 2.0 hybrid in the current Mondeo seems to have been frozen. Car Magazine article said it is a CD4 not C2 which is interesting... not sure that's correct but we'll see. Edited March 22, 2021 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 3 hours ago, bzcat said: Car Magazine article said it is a CD4 not C2 which is interesting... not sure that's correct but we'll see. CD4 is being phased out. It's got to be C2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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